games with investment systems are NOT designed to be (Destiny)

by scarab , Monday, December 15, 2014, 14:19 (3441 days ago) @ Revenant1988

grind free.

By definition you are meant to invest your time in them.

Anyone who doesn't do that has managed to avoid the hooks built into the game and its economy. Well done them but they are not playing the game as it was designed.

Yes, Bungie said that it catered to all types so, therefore, you could say that it was designed for casual play. But that would be stretching things too far because the claim that the game was designed solely for casual play is just not true. Spending a few minutes per day in the game is certainly possible but it is not what the game was designed for. Practically any game can be played for a few minutes at a time.

Bungie hired IS experts because they wanted players to spend a lot of time playing.

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Pretty scathing opinion piece on Polygon - Speedracer513, 2014-12-15, 10:23
- Radiant Materials - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 10:34
  - Radiant Materials - EffortlessFury, 2014-12-15, 10:36
    - Radiant Materials - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 10:40
      - Radiant Materials - Speedracer513, 2014-12-15, 10:57
        
        Radiant Materials - stabbim, 2014-12-15, 12:37
  - Radiant Materials - Blackt1g3r, 2014-12-15, 10:46
    - Radiant Materials - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 10:48
      - Radiant Materials - petetheduck, 2014-12-15, 11:28
        
        I feel no attachment to my gear - kidtsunami, 2014-12-15, 11:33
        
        Radiant Materials - CruelLEGACEY, 2014-12-15, 12:07
        
        Radiant Materials - petetheduck, 2014-12-15, 12:45
        
        Radiant Materials - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 12:49
      - Radiant Materials - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 12:05
        
        Radiant Materials - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 12:12
        
        Radiant Materials - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 12:15
        
        Radiant Materials - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 12:19
        
        Radiant Materials - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 12:24
        
        Radiant Materials - stabbim, 2014-12-15, 12:42
        
        Radiant Materials - Ragashingo, 2014-12-15, 12:48
        
        Radiant Materials - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 12:58
        
        Radiant Materials - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 13:03
        
        Radiant Materials - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 12:59
        
        Radiant Materials - ZackDark, 2014-12-15, 13:02
        
        Radiant Materials - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 13:04
        
        +1, tbh - ZackDark, 2014-12-15, 13:07
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Revenant1988, 2014-12-15, 12:49
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 12:53
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-15, 13:15
        
        Either way, that's a lot - Revenant1988, 2014-12-15, 13:20
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 13:59
        
        Does psn track play time? That could corroborate with b.net - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-15, 14:18
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - RC, 2014-12-15, 14:39
        
        Only 1 more than Levi - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 14:43
        
        Only 1 more than Levi - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 14:57
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 13:28
        
        You never will understand because you don't listen - scarab, 2014-12-15, 13:34
        
        You never will understand because you don't listen - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 13:52
        
        You never will understand because you don't listen - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 13:55
        
        Echo Chamber, guys - iconicbanana, 2014-12-15, 13:57
        
        You never will understand because you don't listen - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 14:11
        
        You've been asking that question for the last 3 months - scarab, 2014-12-15, 14:08
        
        You've been asking that question for the last 3 months - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 14:31
        
        You've been asking that question for the last 3 months - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-15, 14:38
        
        asking the same question repeatedly and apparently - scarab, 2014-12-15, 15:03
        
        asking the same question repeatedly and apparently - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 15:48
        
        Don't listen to him. - ckamp, 2014-12-19, 08:38
        
        asking the same question repeatedly and apparently - Claude Errera, 2014-12-19, 08:04
        
        asking the same question repeatedly and apparently - scarab, 2014-12-19, 10:21
        
        asking the same question repeatedly and apparently - Claude Errera, 2014-12-19, 10:51
        
        asking the same question repeatedly and apparently - Cody Miller, 2014-12-19, 10:56
        
        Exploring - Leviathan, 2014-12-19, 14:31
        
        That's a big post :-) - scarab, 2014-12-21, 02:22
        
        Exploring - scarab, 2014-12-21, 04:29
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 13:43
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 14:08
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 14:15
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 14:44
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 14:52
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 15:52
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 15:59
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Speedracer513, 2014-12-15, 16:03
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 16:10
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 16:08
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Claude Errera, 2014-12-19, 08:09
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Revenant1988, 2014-12-15, 13:46
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 13:48
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - Revenant1988, 2014-12-15, 13:55
        
        I *actually* LOLd at this - Speedracer513, 2014-12-15, 13:57
        
        That's because you play as it was designed. - CruelLEGACEY, 2014-12-15, 13:56
        
        games with investment systems are NOT designed to be - scarab, 2014-12-15, 14:19
        
        games with investment systems are NOT designed to be - Claude Errera, 2014-12-19, 08:23
        
        games with investment systems are NOT designed to be - Cody Miller, 2014-12-19, 10:46
        
        games with investment systems are NOT designed to be - Claude Errera, 2014-12-19, 11:00
        
        games with investment systems are NOT designed to be - Cody Miller, 2014-12-19, 11:10
        
        games with investment systems are NOT designed to be - Claude Errera, 2014-12-19, 11:12
        
        Doing things that you don't want to do in a game is a grind - scarab, 2014-12-19, 11:00
        
        Doing things that you don't want to do in a game is a grind - Claude Errera, 2014-12-19, 11:07
        
        Doing things that you don't want to do in a game is a grind - Cody Miller, 2014-12-19, 11:12
        
        Doing things that you don't want to do in a game is a grind - Claude Errera, 2014-12-19, 11:26
        
        Doing things that you don't want to do in a game is a grind - dogcow, 2014-12-19, 12:30
  - Destiny has made me enjoy Dota more. - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-15, 11:17
    - Is this really a fair analogy? - iconicbanana, 2014-12-15, 11:20
      - Is this really a fair analogy? - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-15, 11:23
      - Is this really a fair analogy? - kidtsunami, 2014-12-15, 11:28
        
        Hmm...you're on to something here. - iconicbanana, 2014-12-15, 11:32
        
        Hmm...you're on to something here. - kidtsunami, 2014-12-15, 11:46
        
        Hmm...you're on to something here. - iconicbanana, 2014-12-15, 11:51
        
        I'm bumming myself out - kidtsunami, 2014-12-15, 12:04
        
        You bums - ZackDark, 2014-12-15, 13:06
- Eh, whatever. - iconicbanana, 2014-12-15, 10:52
  - Eh, whatever. - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-15, 11:21
    - Eh, whatever. - iconicbanana, 2014-12-15, 11:27
    - Eh, whatever. - Revenant1988, 2014-12-15, 11:36
  - Eh, whatever. - unoudid, 2014-12-15, 13:17
    - You guys are happy-hardcore - iconicbanana, 2014-12-15, 13:54
      - I like that term! - unoudid, 2014-12-15, 14:59
- I honestly agree with this whole article. - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-15, 11:12
  - I mean, I agree...I just don't really care, either :/ - iconicbanana, 2014-12-15, 11:14
- So we are all in agreement? - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-15, 11:29
  - Nah. - RaichuKFM, 2014-12-15, 11:44
    - DBO: Taking a shard into the hellmouth - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-15, 11:52
      - DBO: Taking a shard into the hellmouth - RaichuKFM, 2014-12-15, 12:09
  - So we are all in agreement? - kidtsunami, 2014-12-15, 11:50
    - So we are all in agreement? - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-15, 11:56
      - So we are all in agreement? - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 12:09
        
        So we are all in agreement? - RaichuKFM, 2014-12-15, 12:10
        
        So we are all in agreement? - kidtsunami, 2014-12-15, 12:14
        
        So we are all in agreement? [img] - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-15, 12:15
  - So we are all in agreement? - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 12:15
    - We need to build a statue. - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 12:21
      - :p - Ragashingo, 2014-12-15, 12:26
      - We need to build a statue. - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 14:37
        
        We need to build a statue. - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 14:53
        
        We need to build a statue. - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 14:54
        
        We need to build a statue. - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 15:02
        
        We need to build a statue. - Claude Errera, 2014-12-19, 08:35
        
        We need to build a statue. - Cody Miller, 2014-12-19, 10:42
        
        We need to build a statue. - Claude Errera, 2014-12-19, 11:10
        
        The engineering talent isn't gone - scarab, 2014-12-15, 15:08
  - Investment team didn't decide to make a game with no content - scarab, 2014-12-15, 12:19
    - Investment team didn't decide to make a game with no content - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 12:29
      - I think they are being paid to be top of the charts - scarab, 2014-12-15, 13:24
- A weekend with Xur - unoudid, 2014-12-15, 14:08
  - A weekend with Xur - Durandal, 2014-12-15, 14:58
    - A weekend with Xur - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 15:00
      - A weekend with Xur - iconicbanana, 2014-12-15, 15:02
    - Broke for Iron Banner Now - unoudid, 2014-12-15, 15:01
      - Glimmer Grind is more boring than Mats Grind Was - Kahzgul, 2014-12-15, 18:02
        
        Glimmer Grind is more boring than Mats Grind Was - HavokBlue, 2014-12-15, 18:08
        
        Glimmer Grind is more boring than Mats Grind Was - Cody Miller, 2014-12-16, 04:14
        
        Glimmer Grind is more boring than Mats Grind Was - HavokBlue, 2014-12-16, 04:56
        
        Kill counts will stop too sometimes. - Revenant1988, 2014-12-16, 05:51
        
        Yep - ZackDark, 2014-12-16, 08:22
        
        Citadel on Venus - iconicbanana, 2014-12-16, 08:36
        
        Citadel on Venus - Cody Miller, 2014-12-16, 09:04
        
        Citadel on Venus - iconicbanana, 2014-12-16, 09:10
        
        You don't need 4 or 5 - ZackDark, 2014-12-16, 09:11
        
        You don't need 4 or 5 - iconicbanana, 2014-12-16, 09:16
        
        Fair enough :) - ZackDark, 2014-12-16, 09:22
        
        Citadel on Venus - Schedonnardus, 2014-12-16, 14:08
- So I take it Bungie patched out BXR and Sword Flying... *NM* - HawaiianPig, 2014-12-15, 20:10
  - So I take it Bungie patched out BXR and Sword Flying... *NM* - Cody Miller, 2014-12-16, 03:44
    - So I take it Bungie patched out BXR and Sword Flying... *NM* - HawaiianPig, 2014-12-16, 21:32
      - Have you given up on gaming entirely? - scarab, 2014-12-17, 00:14
        
        Have you given up on gaming entirely? - HawaiianPig, 2014-12-18, 21:36
        
        If you are short on time then avoid Destiny - scarab, 2014-12-18, 23:42

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