games with investment systems are NOT designed to be (Destiny)
grind free.
By definition you are meant to invest your time in them.
Anyone who doesn't do that has managed to avoid the hooks built into the game and its economy. Well done them but they are not playing the game as it was designed.
Levi has said he plays a couple of hours a day, on average. (Barring weeks when he can't get online.)
To say that a couple of hours a day is 'not investing your time' is ludicrous. There are very, very, VERY few things that meet that level of commitment in my life. (My job, sleep, sometimes my family. That's it.)
He simply invests LESS of it than you. (Well, than you DID.) He is DEFINITELY playing the game as designed.
What I find interesting is the people who seem to enjoy Destiny the most tend to be people who don't use the word 'grind'. It's not a grind if you don't treat it as such - it's just playing. (You can tell me "if you do the same thing over and over it's a grind no matter what you call it", but I disagree with that argument. I eat every day (well, almost every day), but it's almost NEVER a grind to do so. There were times in my life, though, where eating took away from time for other things, and I resented it - and it WAS a grind. I didn't spend any more time on it than I do now - in fact, I spent less - but I saw that time in a completely different light.
Complete thread:
- Pretty scathing opinion piece on Polygon -
Speedracer513,
2014-12-15, 10:23
- Radiant Materials -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 10:34
- Radiant Materials -
EffortlessFury,
2014-12-15, 10:36
- Radiant Materials -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 10:40
- Radiant Materials -
Speedracer513,
2014-12-15, 10:57
- Radiant Materials - stabbim, 2014-12-15, 12:37
- Radiant Materials -
Speedracer513,
2014-12-15, 10:57
- Radiant Materials -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 10:40
- Radiant Materials -
Blackt1g3r,
2014-12-15, 10:46
- Radiant Materials -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 10:48
- Radiant Materials -
petetheduck,
2014-12-15, 11:28
- I feel no attachment to my gear - kidtsunami, 2014-12-15, 11:33
- Radiant Materials -
CruelLEGACEY,
2014-12-15, 12:07
- Radiant Materials -
petetheduck,
2014-12-15, 12:45
- Radiant Materials - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 12:49
- Radiant Materials -
petetheduck,
2014-12-15, 12:45
- Radiant Materials -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 12:05
- Radiant Materials -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 12:12
- Radiant Materials -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 12:15
- Radiant Materials -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 12:19
- Radiant Materials -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 12:24
- Radiant Materials -
stabbim,
2014-12-15, 12:42
- Radiant Materials -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-15, 12:48
- Radiant Materials -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 12:58
- Radiant Materials - Cody Miller, 2014-12-15, 13:03
- Radiant Materials -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 12:59
- Radiant Materials -
ZackDark,
2014-12-15, 13:02
- Radiant Materials -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 13:04
- +1, tbh - ZackDark, 2014-12-15, 13:07
- Radiant Materials -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 13:04
- Radiant Materials -
ZackDark,
2014-12-15, 13:02
- Radiant Materials -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 12:58
- Radiant Materials -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-15, 12:48
- Radiant Materials -
stabbim,
2014-12-15, 12:42
- Radiant Materials -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 12:24
- Radiant Materials -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 12:19
- Radiant Materials -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 12:15
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Revenant1988,
2014-12-15, 12:49
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 12:53
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-15, 13:15
- Either way, that's a lot - Revenant1988, 2014-12-15, 13:20
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 13:59
- Does psn track play time? That could corroborate with b.net - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-15, 14:18
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
RC,
2014-12-15, 14:39
- Only 1 more than Levi -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 14:43
- Only 1 more than Levi - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 14:57
- Only 1 more than Levi -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 14:43
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 13:28
- You never will understand because you don't listen -
scarab,
2014-12-15, 13:34
- You never will understand because you don't listen -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 13:52
- You never will understand because you don't listen -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 13:55
- Echo Chamber, guys - iconicbanana, 2014-12-15, 13:57
- You never will understand because you don't listen - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 14:11
- You've been asking that question for the last 3 months -
scarab,
2014-12-15, 14:08
- You've been asking that question for the last 3 months -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 14:31
- You've been asking that question for the last 3 months - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-15, 14:38
- asking the same question repeatedly and apparently -
scarab,
2014-12-15, 15:03
- asking the same question repeatedly and apparently -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 15:48
- Don't listen to him. - ckamp, 2014-12-19, 08:38
- asking the same question repeatedly and apparently -
Claude Errera,
2014-12-19, 08:04
- asking the same question repeatedly and apparently -
scarab,
2014-12-19, 10:21
- asking the same question repeatedly and apparently -
Claude Errera,
2014-12-19, 10:51
- asking the same question repeatedly and apparently - Cody Miller, 2014-12-19, 10:56
- Exploring -
Leviathan,
2014-12-19, 14:31
- That's a big post :-) - scarab, 2014-12-21, 02:22
- Exploring - scarab, 2014-12-21, 04:29
- asking the same question repeatedly and apparently -
Claude Errera,
2014-12-19, 10:51
- asking the same question repeatedly and apparently -
scarab,
2014-12-19, 10:21
- asking the same question repeatedly and apparently -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 15:48
- You've been asking that question for the last 3 months -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 14:31
- You never will understand because you don't listen -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 13:55
- You never will understand because you don't listen -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 13:52
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 13:43
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 14:08
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 14:15
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 14:44
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 14:52
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 15:52
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 15:59
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Speedracer513,
2014-12-15, 16:03
- That's because you play as it was designed. - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 16:10
- That's because you play as it was designed. - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 16:08
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Speedracer513,
2014-12-15, 16:03
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 15:59
- That's because you play as it was designed. - Claude Errera, 2014-12-19, 08:09
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 15:52
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 14:52
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 14:44
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 14:15
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 14:08
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Revenant1988,
2014-12-15, 13:46
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 13:48
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Revenant1988,
2014-12-15, 13:55
- I *actually* LOLd at this - Speedracer513, 2014-12-15, 13:57
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Revenant1988,
2014-12-15, 13:55
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 13:48
- You never will understand because you don't listen -
scarab,
2014-12-15, 13:34
- That's because you play as it was designed. - CruelLEGACEY, 2014-12-15, 13:56
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-15, 13:15
- games with investment systems are NOT designed to be -
scarab,
2014-12-15, 14:19
- games with investment systems are NOT designed to be -
Claude Errera,
2014-12-19, 08:23
- games with investment systems are NOT designed to be -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-19, 10:46
- games with investment systems are NOT designed to be -
Claude Errera,
2014-12-19, 11:00
- games with investment systems are NOT designed to be -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-19, 11:10
- games with investment systems are NOT designed to be - Claude Errera, 2014-12-19, 11:12
- games with investment systems are NOT designed to be -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-19, 11:10
- games with investment systems are NOT designed to be -
Claude Errera,
2014-12-19, 11:00
- Doing things that you don't want to do in a game is a grind -
scarab,
2014-12-19, 11:00
- Doing things that you don't want to do in a game is a grind -
Claude Errera,
2014-12-19, 11:07
- Doing things that you don't want to do in a game is a grind -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-19, 11:12
- Doing things that you don't want to do in a game is a grind -
Claude Errera,
2014-12-19, 11:26
- Doing things that you don't want to do in a game is a grind - dogcow, 2014-12-19, 12:30
- Doing things that you don't want to do in a game is a grind -
Claude Errera,
2014-12-19, 11:26
- Doing things that you don't want to do in a game is a grind -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-19, 11:12
- Doing things that you don't want to do in a game is a grind -
Claude Errera,
2014-12-19, 11:07
- games with investment systems are NOT designed to be -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-19, 10:46
- games with investment systems are NOT designed to be -
Claude Errera,
2014-12-19, 08:23
- That's because you play as it was designed. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 12:53
- Radiant Materials -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 12:12
- Radiant Materials -
petetheduck,
2014-12-15, 11:28
- Radiant Materials -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 10:48
- Destiny has made me enjoy Dota more. -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-15, 11:17
- Is this really a fair analogy? -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-15, 11:20
- Is this really a fair analogy? - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-15, 11:23
- Is this really a fair analogy? -
kidtsunami,
2014-12-15, 11:28
- Hmm...you're on to something here. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-15, 11:32
- Hmm...you're on to something here. -
kidtsunami,
2014-12-15, 11:46
- Hmm...you're on to something here. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-15, 11:51
- I'm bumming myself out -
kidtsunami,
2014-12-15, 12:04
- You bums - ZackDark, 2014-12-15, 13:06
- I'm bumming myself out -
kidtsunami,
2014-12-15, 12:04
- Hmm...you're on to something here. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-15, 11:51
- Hmm...you're on to something here. -
kidtsunami,
2014-12-15, 11:46
- Hmm...you're on to something here. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-15, 11:32
- Is this really a fair analogy? -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-15, 11:20
- Radiant Materials -
EffortlessFury,
2014-12-15, 10:36
- Eh, whatever. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-15, 10:52
- Eh, whatever. -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-15, 11:21
- Eh, whatever. - iconicbanana, 2014-12-15, 11:27
- Eh, whatever. - Revenant1988, 2014-12-15, 11:36
- Eh, whatever. -
unoudid,
2014-12-15, 13:17
- You guys are happy-hardcore -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-15, 13:54
- I like that term! - unoudid, 2014-12-15, 14:59
- You guys are happy-hardcore -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-15, 13:54
- Eh, whatever. -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-15, 11:21
- I honestly agree with this whole article. -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-15, 11:12
- I mean, I agree...I just don't really care, either :/ - iconicbanana, 2014-12-15, 11:14
- So we are all in agreement? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-15, 11:29
- Nah. -
RaichuKFM,
2014-12-15, 11:44
- DBO: Taking a shard into the hellmouth -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-15, 11:52
- DBO: Taking a shard into the hellmouth - RaichuKFM, 2014-12-15, 12:09
- DBO: Taking a shard into the hellmouth -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-15, 11:52
- So we are all in agreement? -
kidtsunami,
2014-12-15, 11:50
- So we are all in agreement? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-15, 11:56
- So we are all in agreement? -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 12:09
- So we are all in agreement? -
RaichuKFM,
2014-12-15, 12:10
- So we are all in agreement? - kidtsunami, 2014-12-15, 12:14
- So we are all in agreement? [img] - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-15, 12:15
- So we are all in agreement? -
RaichuKFM,
2014-12-15, 12:10
- So we are all in agreement? -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 12:09
- So we are all in agreement? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-15, 11:56
- So we are all in agreement? -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 12:15
- We need to build a statue. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 12:21
- :p - Ragashingo, 2014-12-15, 12:26
- We need to build a statue. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 14:37
- We need to build a statue. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 14:53
- We need to build a statue. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 14:54
- We need to build a statue. - Leviathan, 2014-12-15, 15:02
- We need to build a statue. -
Claude Errera,
2014-12-19, 08:35
- We need to build a statue. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-19, 10:42
- We need to build a statue. - Claude Errera, 2014-12-19, 11:10
- We need to build a statue. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-19, 10:42
- We need to build a statue. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 14:54
- The engineering talent isn't gone - scarab, 2014-12-15, 15:08
- We need to build a statue. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 14:53
- We need to build a statue. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-15, 12:21
- Investment team didn't decide to make a game with no content -
scarab,
2014-12-15, 12:19
- Investment team didn't decide to make a game with no content -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 12:29
- I think they are being paid to be top of the charts - scarab, 2014-12-15, 13:24
- Investment team didn't decide to make a game with no content -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 12:29
- Nah. -
RaichuKFM,
2014-12-15, 11:44
- A weekend with Xur -
unoudid,
2014-12-15, 14:08
- A weekend with Xur -
Durandal,
2014-12-15, 14:58
- A weekend with Xur -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 15:00
- A weekend with Xur - iconicbanana, 2014-12-15, 15:02
- Broke for Iron Banner Now -
unoudid,
2014-12-15, 15:01
- Glimmer Grind is more boring than Mats Grind Was -
Kahzgul,
2014-12-15, 18:02
- Glimmer Grind is more boring than Mats Grind Was -
HavokBlue,
2014-12-15, 18:08
- Glimmer Grind is more boring than Mats Grind Was -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-16, 04:14
- Glimmer Grind is more boring than Mats Grind Was - HavokBlue, 2014-12-16, 04:56
- Kill counts will stop too sometimes. -
Revenant1988,
2014-12-16, 05:51
- Yep -
ZackDark,
2014-12-16, 08:22
- Citadel on Venus -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-16, 08:36
- Citadel on Venus -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-16, 09:04
- Citadel on Venus -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-16, 09:10
- You don't need 4 or 5 -
ZackDark,
2014-12-16, 09:11
- You don't need 4 or 5 -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-16, 09:16
- Fair enough :) - ZackDark, 2014-12-16, 09:22
- You don't need 4 or 5 -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-16, 09:16
- You don't need 4 or 5 -
ZackDark,
2014-12-16, 09:11
- Citadel on Venus - Schedonnardus, 2014-12-16, 14:08
- Citadel on Venus -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-16, 09:10
- Citadel on Venus -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-16, 09:04
- Citadel on Venus -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-16, 08:36
- Yep -
ZackDark,
2014-12-16, 08:22
- Glimmer Grind is more boring than Mats Grind Was -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-16, 04:14
- Glimmer Grind is more boring than Mats Grind Was -
HavokBlue,
2014-12-15, 18:08
- Glimmer Grind is more boring than Mats Grind Was -
Kahzgul,
2014-12-15, 18:02
- A weekend with Xur -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 15:00
- A weekend with Xur -
Durandal,
2014-12-15, 14:58
- So I take it Bungie patched out BXR and Sword Flying... *NM* -
HawaiianPig,
2014-12-15, 20:10
- So I take it Bungie patched out BXR and Sword Flying... *NM* -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-16, 03:44
- So I take it Bungie patched out BXR and Sword Flying... *NM* -
HawaiianPig,
2014-12-16, 21:32
- Have you given up on gaming entirely? -
scarab,
2014-12-17, 00:14
- Have you given up on gaming entirely? -
HawaiianPig,
2014-12-18, 21:36
- If you are short on time then avoid Destiny - scarab, 2014-12-18, 23:42
- Have you given up on gaming entirely? -
HawaiianPig,
2014-12-18, 21:36
- Have you given up on gaming entirely? -
scarab,
2014-12-17, 00:14
- So I take it Bungie patched out BXR and Sword Flying... *NM* -
HawaiianPig,
2014-12-16, 21:32
- So I take it Bungie patched out BXR and Sword Flying... *NM* -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-16, 03:44
- Radiant Materials -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-15, 10:34