More incentive talk
by Cody Miller 
, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 09:47 (4197 days ago) @ RC
edited by Cody Miller, Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 10:21
A decent designer looks at the evidence, uses their mind, and can see the truth without people having to explicitly TELL them what's wrong.
This is why Portal 2 dropped challenges and advanced chambers. "We looked at Steam, PSN and XBL, and only like 11% of the people playing the game ever tried them, and fewer than 1% finished them all. So we didn't put them into Portal 2"
Well, guess what? Those things were awesome.
I'm sure a minority of people use forge, yet if it were taken out that'd be a huge problem. Most people probably never used films in Campaign, but they are gone now and tons of people miss it.
Likewise if you have to create 'incentives' for casual players to keep playing, then you're going to make your game worse for the people who actually do like to replay, an decrease the overall quality if your game.
Halo 4 is the biggest seller of the Halo series appealing to the most people, but is it the best? I think we all know the answer to that.
Don't look at the 'evidence' look at your gut and make a game that is simply fun for its own sake. Bungie used to do this well: you know your game is good when it gets delayed because all your employees are playing netgames instead of working (then blame it on the boxes).
Complete thread:
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted -
Xenos,
2013-07-09, 07:09
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Xenos,
2013-07-09, 07:15
- Quote I liked - electricpirate, 2013-07-09, 07:21
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Beorn,
2013-07-09, 09:59
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Xenos,
2013-07-09, 10:05
- Quote I liked - Beorn, 2013-07-09, 10:52
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Xenos,
2013-07-09, 10:05
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INSANEdrive,
2013-07-09, 10:12
- Still sticking with Hunter
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Xenos,
2013-07-09, 10:18
- Quote I liked - car15, 2013-07-09, 10:34
- Still sticking with Hunter
- Balance - kapowaz, 2013-07-10, 23:51
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted - electricpirate, 2013-07-09, 07:24
- Great interview, but... - car15, 2013-07-09, 09:24
- More incentive talk -
Stephen Laughlin,
2013-07-09, 11:02
- More incentive talk -
Xenos,
2013-07-09, 11:07
- More incentive talk -
MrPadraig08,
2013-07-09, 11:38
- Well said. -
Xenos,
2013-07-09, 12:00
- More incentive talk - kapowaz, 2013-07-10, 23:48
- Well said.
- +1 - Leviathan, 2013-07-09, 11:59
- More incentive talk -
MrPadraig08,
2013-07-09, 11:38
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-09, 14:51
- More incentive talk -
RC,
2013-07-10, 05:16
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-10, 09:47
- More incentive talk -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-10, 14:09
- More incentive talk - MrPadraig08, 2013-07-11, 08:53
- More incentive talk -
RC,
2013-07-10, 17:38
- More incentive talk - Stephen Laughlin, 2013-07-10, 18:21
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-10, 18:43
- More incentive talk - Stephen Laughlin, 2013-07-10, 20:15
- More incentive talk -
RC,
2013-07-11, 13:14
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 14:08
- More incentive talk - RC, 2013-07-11, 15:24
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 14:08
- More incentive talk -
cheapLEY,
2013-07-10, 21:31
- More incentive talk -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-10, 21:55
- More incentive talk - cheapLEY, 2013-07-10, 22:15
- More incentive talk -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-10, 21:55
- More incentive talk -
Tails,
2013-07-10, 22:47
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 00:23
- More incentive talk -
kapowaz,
2013-07-11, 01:57
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 10:48
- More incentive talk - Claude Errera, 2013-07-11, 12:03
- More incentive talk -
kapowaz,
2013-07-11, 14:41
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 14:46
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JDQuackers,
2013-07-11, 14:51
- More incentive talk - kapowaz, 2013-07-11, 23:44
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ZackDark,
2013-07-11, 15:02
- More incentive talk - Cody Miller, 2013-07-12, 11:11
- More incentive talk - kapowaz, 2013-07-11, 23:49
- More incentive talk -
JDQuackers,
2013-07-11, 14:51
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 14:46
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 10:48
- More incentive talk -
Tails,
2013-07-11, 02:40
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 10:55
- More incentive talk - Xenos, 2013-07-11, 10:59
- More incentive talk -
RC,
2013-07-11, 13:24
- More incentive talk - Cody Miller, 2013-07-11, 14:29
- More incentive talk - Tails, 2013-07-11, 13:28
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 10:55
- More incentive talk - General Vagueness, 2013-07-17, 17:30
- More incentive talk -
kapowaz,
2013-07-11, 01:57
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 00:23
- One small correction -
narcogen,
2013-07-12, 00:34
- One small correction -
kapowaz,
2013-07-12, 01:27
- One small correction - Kermit, 2013-07-12, 06:33
- One small correction -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-12, 01:39
- One small correction - kapowaz, 2013-07-12, 03:16
- One small correction -
Claude Errera,
2013-07-12, 04:39
- One small correction -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-12, 08:18
- One small correction - narcogen, 2013-07-12, 22:50
- One small correction -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-12, 08:18
- One small correction - narcogen, 2013-07-12, 22:49
- One small correction -
kapowaz,
2013-07-12, 01:27
- More incentive talk -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-10, 14:09
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-10, 09:47
- More incentive talk - kapowaz, 2013-07-10, 23:36
- More incentive talk - General Vagueness, 2013-07-17, 16:09
- More incentive talk -
RC,
2013-07-10, 05:16
- agreed... - Jabberwok, 2013-07-12, 10:22
- More incentive talk -
Xenos,
2013-07-09, 11:07
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
Ze Moose,
2013-07-09, 16:10
- I think so - Beorn, 2013-07-09, 16:15
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-09, 19:19
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
Leviathan,
2013-07-09, 19:44
- Wow, those pictures are AWESOME. -
NsU Soldier,
2013-07-13, 20:28
- Wow, those pictures are AWESOME.
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
narcogen,
2013-07-12, 00:37
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
General Vagueness,
2013-07-17, 18:02
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix - Pyromancy, 2013-07-17, 20:37
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
General Vagueness,
2013-07-17, 18:02
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
Leviathan,
2013-07-09, 19:44
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted - uberfoop, 2013-07-09, 20:04
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted -
Jabberwok,
2013-07-12, 10:31
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted - Xenos, 2013-07-12, 10:42
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted - Ragashingo, 2013-07-12, 11:29
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted -
General Vagueness,
2013-07-17, 16:27
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted - General Vagueness, 2013-07-22, 09:43
- Quote I liked -
Xenos,
2013-07-09, 07:15