More incentive talk
I think puzzle games operate a little differently. The challenges aren't really incentives, so much as new puzzles.
Plants vs Zombies: reward for completing a given level = a new plant. A new weapon in your armoury, which unlocks new gameplay strategies.
If it unlocks new 'gameplay' strategies, then the game would have been more interesting and complex with it to begin with, and thus it should have been available from the start. It's not compelling to play a worse version of the game in order to then play a better version.
However, if gaining weapons after beating a level ADDS to the game's complexity and strategy (Think Mega Man), then it's obviously ok. Which order do I do the bosses in? Do I beat Air Man first and have item 2 in Heat Man's stage, or do I beat Heat Man first and have item 1 in Air Man's stage? Can't have it both ways. I have to pick. That is doing it right.
It's not just puzzle games; the industry is replete with examples of intrinsic rewards that have gameplay benefits. They might not be to your taste, but they do exist, and they're often very successful.
I think we are on a different page, since the challenges in Portal do not have 'gameplay benefits'. They ARE the 'gameplay' - the equivalent of adding an extra level to play. By the way, as far as I remember, advanced chambers and challenges were available to play right from the start.
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- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted -
Xenos,
2013-07-09, 07:09
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2013-07-09, 07:15
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2013-07-09, 09:59
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2013-07-09, 10:05
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2013-07-09, 10:05
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2013-07-09, 10:12
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- Quote I liked - car15, 2013-07-09, 10:34
- Balance - kapowaz, 2013-07-10, 23:51
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted - electricpirate, 2013-07-09, 07:24
- Great interview, but... - car15, 2013-07-09, 09:24
- More incentive talk -
Stephen Laughlin,
2013-07-09, 11:02
- More incentive talk -
Xenos,
2013-07-09, 11:07
- More incentive talk -
MrPadraig08,
2013-07-09, 11:38
- Well said. - Xenos, 2013-07-09, 12:00
- More incentive talk - kapowaz, 2013-07-10, 23:48
- +1 - Leviathan, 2013-07-09, 11:59
- More incentive talk -
MrPadraig08,
2013-07-09, 11:38
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-09, 14:51
- More incentive talk -
RC,
2013-07-10, 05:16
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-10, 09:47
- More incentive talk -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-10, 14:09
- More incentive talk - MrPadraig08, 2013-07-11, 08:53
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RC,
2013-07-10, 17:38
- More incentive talk - Stephen Laughlin, 2013-07-10, 18:21
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-10, 18:43
- More incentive talk - Stephen Laughlin, 2013-07-10, 20:15
- More incentive talk -
RC,
2013-07-11, 13:14
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 14:08
- More incentive talk - RC, 2013-07-11, 15:24
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 14:08
- More incentive talk -
cheapLEY,
2013-07-10, 21:31
- More incentive talk -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-10, 21:55
- More incentive talk - cheapLEY, 2013-07-10, 22:15
- More incentive talk -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-10, 21:55
- More incentive talk -
Tails,
2013-07-10, 22:47
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 00:23
- More incentive talk -
kapowaz,
2013-07-11, 01:57
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 10:48
- More incentive talk - Claude Errera, 2013-07-11, 12:03
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kapowaz,
2013-07-11, 14:41
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 14:46
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JDQuackers,
2013-07-11, 14:51
- More incentive talk - kapowaz, 2013-07-11, 23:44
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2013-07-11, 15:02
- More incentive talk - Cody Miller, 2013-07-12, 11:11
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JDQuackers,
2013-07-11, 14:51
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 14:46
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 10:48
- More incentive talk -
Tails,
2013-07-11, 02:40
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 10:55
- More incentive talk - Xenos, 2013-07-11, 10:59
- More incentive talk -
RC,
2013-07-11, 13:24
- More incentive talk - Cody Miller, 2013-07-11, 14:29
- More incentive talk - Tails, 2013-07-11, 13:28
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 10:55
- More incentive talk - General Vagueness, 2013-07-17, 17:30
- More incentive talk -
kapowaz,
2013-07-11, 01:57
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 00:23
- One small correction -
narcogen,
2013-07-12, 00:34
- One small correction -
kapowaz,
2013-07-12, 01:27
- One small correction - Kermit, 2013-07-12, 06:33
- One small correction -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-12, 01:39
- One small correction - kapowaz, 2013-07-12, 03:16
- One small correction -
Claude Errera,
2013-07-12, 04:39
- One small correction -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-12, 08:18
- One small correction - narcogen, 2013-07-12, 22:50
- One small correction -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-12, 08:18
- One small correction - narcogen, 2013-07-12, 22:49
- One small correction -
kapowaz,
2013-07-12, 01:27
- More incentive talk -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-10, 14:09
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-10, 09:47
- More incentive talk - kapowaz, 2013-07-10, 23:36
- More incentive talk - General Vagueness, 2013-07-17, 16:09
- More incentive talk -
RC,
2013-07-10, 05:16
- agreed... - Jabberwok, 2013-07-12, 10:22
- More incentive talk -
Xenos,
2013-07-09, 11:07
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
Ze Moose,
2013-07-09, 16:10
- I think so - Beorn, 2013-07-09, 16:15
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-09, 19:19
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
Leviathan,
2013-07-09, 19:44
- Wow, those pictures are AWESOME. - NsU Soldier, 2013-07-13, 20:28
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
narcogen,
2013-07-12, 00:37
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
General Vagueness,
2013-07-17, 18:02
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix - Pyromancy, 2013-07-17, 20:37
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
General Vagueness,
2013-07-17, 18:02
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
Leviathan,
2013-07-09, 19:44
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted - uberfoop, 2013-07-09, 20:04
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted -
Jabberwok,
2013-07-12, 10:31
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted - Xenos, 2013-07-12, 10:42
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted - Ragashingo, 2013-07-12, 11:29
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted -
General Vagueness,
2013-07-17, 16:27
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted - General Vagueness, 2013-07-22, 09:43
- Quote I liked -
Xenos,
2013-07-09, 07:15