More incentive talk
by Stephen Laughlin 
, Long Beach, CA, Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 18:21 (3945 days ago) @ RC
Incentives don't justify modes, they don't replace solid core gameplay. They're multipliers. Multiplying zero by anything still leaves you with zero.
This is right on.
I think my gripe comes from games where incentives are implemented poorly or in such a way that exploration/experimentation within the game environment goes from being its own reward to being a means to an end. Incentives are used to keep players grinding away, driven by desire, even when the core gameplay is lacking. The balance is off. Instead of players telling truly unique stories about unusual feats of exploration for its own sake, the experience turns into "so I got Reward ABC for doing Challenge XYZ the other day." At their worst, incentives interrupt the connection between the player and the game world. The journey becomes meaningless and the reward all encompassing.
That said, from the little we've seen so far, Destiny's core gameplay looks fun as hell.
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- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted -
Xenos,
2013-07-09, 07:09
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2013-07-09, 07:15
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2013-07-09, 09:59
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Xenos,
2013-07-09, 10:05
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Xenos,
2013-07-09, 10:05
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INSANEdrive,
2013-07-09, 10:12
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Xenos,
2013-07-09, 10:18
- Quote I liked - car15, 2013-07-09, 10:34
- Still sticking with Hunter
- Balance - kapowaz, 2013-07-10, 23:51
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted - electricpirate, 2013-07-09, 07:24
- Great interview, but... - car15, 2013-07-09, 09:24
- More incentive talk -
Stephen Laughlin,
2013-07-09, 11:02
- More incentive talk -
Xenos,
2013-07-09, 11:07
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MrPadraig08,
2013-07-09, 11:38
- Well said. -
Xenos,
2013-07-09, 12:00
- More incentive talk - kapowaz, 2013-07-10, 23:48
- Well said.
- +1 - Leviathan, 2013-07-09, 11:59
- More incentive talk -
MrPadraig08,
2013-07-09, 11:38
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-09, 14:51
- More incentive talk -
RC,
2013-07-10, 05:16
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-10, 09:47
- More incentive talk -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-10, 14:09
- More incentive talk - MrPadraig08, 2013-07-11, 08:53
- More incentive talk -
RC,
2013-07-10, 17:38
- More incentive talk - Stephen Laughlin, 2013-07-10, 18:21
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-10, 18:43
- More incentive talk - Stephen Laughlin, 2013-07-10, 20:15
- More incentive talk -
RC,
2013-07-11, 13:14
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 14:08
- More incentive talk - RC, 2013-07-11, 15:24
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 14:08
- More incentive talk -
cheapLEY,
2013-07-10, 21:31
- More incentive talk -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-10, 21:55
- More incentive talk - cheapLEY, 2013-07-10, 22:15
- More incentive talk -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-10, 21:55
- More incentive talk -
Tails,
2013-07-10, 22:47
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 00:23
- More incentive talk -
kapowaz,
2013-07-11, 01:57
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 10:48
- More incentive talk - Claude Errera, 2013-07-11, 12:03
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kapowaz,
2013-07-11, 14:41
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Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 14:46
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JDQuackers,
2013-07-11, 14:51
- More incentive talk - kapowaz, 2013-07-11, 23:44
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ZackDark,
2013-07-11, 15:02
- More incentive talk - Cody Miller, 2013-07-12, 11:11
- More incentive talk - kapowaz, 2013-07-11, 23:49
- More incentive talk -
JDQuackers,
2013-07-11, 14:51
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 14:46
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 10:48
- More incentive talk -
Tails,
2013-07-11, 02:40
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 10:55
- More incentive talk - Xenos, 2013-07-11, 10:59
- More incentive talk -
RC,
2013-07-11, 13:24
- More incentive talk - Cody Miller, 2013-07-11, 14:29
- More incentive talk - Tails, 2013-07-11, 13:28
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Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 10:55
- More incentive talk - General Vagueness, 2013-07-17, 17:30
- More incentive talk -
kapowaz,
2013-07-11, 01:57
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-11, 00:23
- One small correction -
narcogen,
2013-07-12, 00:34
- One small correction -
kapowaz,
2013-07-12, 01:27
- One small correction - Kermit, 2013-07-12, 06:33
- One small correction -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-12, 01:39
- One small correction - kapowaz, 2013-07-12, 03:16
- One small correction -
Claude Errera,
2013-07-12, 04:39
- One small correction -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-12, 08:18
- One small correction - narcogen, 2013-07-12, 22:50
- One small correction -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-12, 08:18
- One small correction - narcogen, 2013-07-12, 22:49
- One small correction -
kapowaz,
2013-07-12, 01:27
- More incentive talk -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-10, 14:09
- More incentive talk -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-10, 09:47
- More incentive talk - kapowaz, 2013-07-10, 23:36
- More incentive talk - General Vagueness, 2013-07-17, 16:09
- More incentive talk -
RC,
2013-07-10, 05:16
- agreed... - Jabberwok, 2013-07-12, 10:22
- More incentive talk -
Xenos,
2013-07-09, 11:07
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
Ze Moose,
2013-07-09, 16:10
- I think so - Beorn, 2013-07-09, 16:15
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-09, 19:19
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
Leviathan,
2013-07-09, 19:44
- Wow, those pictures are AWESOME. -
NsU Soldier,
2013-07-13, 20:28
- Wow, those pictures are AWESOME.
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
narcogen,
2013-07-12, 00:37
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
General Vagueness,
2013-07-17, 18:02
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix - Pyromancy, 2013-07-17, 20:37
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
General Vagueness,
2013-07-17, 18:02
- Oh dang, they talk about Phoenix -
Leviathan,
2013-07-09, 19:44
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted - uberfoop, 2013-07-09, 20:04
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted -
Jabberwok,
2013-07-12, 10:31
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted - Xenos, 2013-07-12, 10:42
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted - Ragashingo, 2013-07-12, 11:29
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted -
General Vagueness,
2013-07-17, 16:27
- Pt. 3 of Jason Jones Interview posted - General Vagueness, 2013-07-22, 09:43
- Quote I liked -
Xenos,
2013-07-09, 07:15