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A calmer response (Destiny)
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I'll just sum up and say I am thankful that we found common ground. I mean that sincerely.
I agree almost completely. The only part I take issue with (and the reason for my previous post) is the rudeness. You call it a slap in the face, I call it churlish namecalling. You're clearly a smart guy, everything you've said makes sense, and everyone tells me how nice you are. So why the attitude? Surely you could achieve the same with a well-worded argument rather than rudeness? You could probably achieve more - I know I got so annoyed by it that I forgot how much I agreed with you.
Like I said - argue. Discuss. Disagree. Call people out. Don't belittle them. It's not a wakeup call, all it does is piss people off, and angry people don't make for good discussion.
I'm sorry but I will leave it to Claude and Levi to present the 'nice' side of the opposition. The thing is I have seen those poor souls try that approach for the longest time. It has not worked. Case in point, now folks are using that Forbes article which jumps on the anti-Bungie bandwagon as 'proof' that all the fixes are coming because a loud angry mob demanded restitution.
Since you are a reasonable person, not taken to sudden conclusions, please tell me how this is setting up any decent precedent? If anything it's furthering the cycle of announcement-outrage- dev reaction to calm down the fan base..
So Bungie now is beholden to this cycle for the next 9 years? That is sheer lunacy to me.
- M
Complete thread:
- Someone get Lukems some coffee and a snickers -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-06-22, 18:56
- Wow.
- CyberKN, 2015-06-22, 18:58
- Wasn't as bad as I feared... - Kermit, 2015-06-22, 19:17
- Someone get Lukems some coffee and a snickers -
Mad_Stylus,
2015-06-22, 19:23
- Someone get Lukems some coffee and a snickers -
Vortech,
2015-06-23, 01:27
- Someone get Lukems some coffee and a snickers - Schedonnardus, 2015-06-23, 12:44
- Someone get Lukems some coffee and a snickers -
Vortech,
2015-06-23, 01:27
- I get what he's saying -
Earendil,
2015-06-22, 19:32
- It's not so much WHAT you say as it is HOW you say it... -
Korny,
2015-06-22, 19:34
- It's not so much WHAT you say as it is HOW you say it... -
Earendil,
2015-06-22, 19:50
- It's not so much WHAT you say as it is HOW you say it... - General Vagueness, 2015-06-22, 20:25
- It's not so much WHAT you say as it is HOW you say it... -
Leviathan,
2015-06-22, 19:58
- It's not so much WHAT you say as it is HOW you say it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-06-22, 20:22
- Disagree -
Earendil,
2015-06-22, 20:55
- Totally agree with this... -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-22, 21:15
- And I agree with you! -
Earendil,
2015-06-22, 21:23
- Convenient, no?
- someotherguy, 2015-06-22, 23:33
- Convenient, no?
- And I agree with you! -
Earendil,
2015-06-22, 21:23
- Disagree -
General Vagueness,
2015-06-23, 00:47
- Don't answer the questions then - someotherguy, 2015-06-23, 10:52
- Disagree - Fuertisimo, 2015-06-23, 06:13
- Totally agree with this... -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-22, 21:15
- Disagree -
Earendil,
2015-06-22, 20:55
- It's not so much WHAT you say as it is HOW you say it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-06-22, 20:22
- It's not so much WHAT you say as it is HOW you say it... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-06-23, 02:44
- Posting broken images, Mig? - Korny, 2015-06-23, 15:07
- It's not so much WHAT you say as it is HOW you say it... -
Earendil,
2015-06-22, 19:50
- I get what he's saying -
yakaman,
2015-06-22, 19:37
- I get what he's saying -
Earendil,
2015-06-22, 19:45
- I get what he's saying - Relativiox, 2015-06-22, 19:58
- I get what he's saying -
yakaman,
2015-06-22, 20:25
- I get what he's saying - Kermit, 2015-06-22, 20:49
- I get what he's saying - General Vagueness, 2015-06-23, 01:17
- I get what he's saying - Miguel Chavez, 2015-06-23, 02:52
- I get what he's saying -
Earendil,
2015-06-22, 19:45
- I get what he's saying - Leviathan, 2015-06-22, 20:03
- I get what he's saying -
General Vagueness,
2015-06-22, 20:06
- I get what he's saying - Earendil, 2015-06-22, 21:14
- No, no. Early adoption is worth it very often. - Funkmon, 2015-06-23, 00:46
- Those things are not worth $40 -
someotherguy,
2015-06-22, 23:31
- Value propositions. -
narcogen,
2015-06-23, 01:05
- +1 - Miguel Chavez, 2015-06-23, 02:49
- Value propositions. -
someotherguy,
2015-06-23, 10:25
- Value propositions. -
narcogen,
2015-06-23, 12:21
- Yeah, looks like it. Looking forward to the BWU now
- someotherguy, 2015-06-23, 12:22
- Yeah, looks like it. Looking forward to the BWU now
- Value propositions. -
narcogen,
2015-06-23, 12:21
- Value propositions. - yakaman, 2015-06-23, 11:33
- Yep, good analysis
- Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2015-06-23, 12:40
- Value propositions. -
Jillybean,
2015-06-23, 18:40
- Value propositions. - narcogen, 2015-06-24, 22:53
- Value propositions. -
narcogen,
2015-06-23, 01:05
- It's not so much WHAT you say as it is HOW you say it... -
Korny,
2015-06-22, 19:34
- Does Bungie set these prices? Or does Activision? -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-22, 19:52
- Does Bungie set these prices? Or does Activision? - stabbim, 2015-06-23, 00:34
- Nah, that's definitely Luke. :) -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-22, 20:28
- Why don't they offer $60 for TTK/Exotic Emotes w/o Vanilla? -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-22, 20:37
- He said it himself - someotherguy, 2015-06-22, 23:28
- Why don't they offer $60 for TTK/Exotic Emotes w/o Vanilla? - Fuertisimo, 2015-06-23, 04:04
- Nah, that's definitely Luke. :) - car15, 2015-06-22, 21:03
- Nah, that's definitely Luke. :) -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-22, 21:08
- Only ~9 more years.
- CyberKN, 2015-06-22, 21:10
- If only your name was Taylor Swift... :p
- Ragashingo, 2015-06-22, 21:22
- Only ~9 more years.
- Yeah. :(
- Ragashingo, 2015-06-22, 21:09
- Hope bungie reads this... -
slycrel,
2015-06-23, 01:08
- Hope bungie reads this... -
Kermit,
2015-06-23, 18:21
- I thought TTK was current-gen only
- ZackDark, 2015-06-23, 22:49
- I'm pretty sure that's not the case -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-23, 23:04
- I hope I'm wrong, mind you -
ZackDark,
2015-06-23, 23:16
- TTK Physical Collector's Edition is current-gen only - Xenos, 2015-06-24, 01:29
- I'm pretty sure that's not the case -
Ragashingo,
2015-06-23, 23:16
- I'm pretty sure that's not the case - unoudid, 2015-06-24, 02:55
- I hope I'm wrong, mind you -
ZackDark,
2015-06-23, 23:16
- I'm pretty sure that's not the case -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-23, 23:04
- I thought TTK was current-gen only
- Hope bungie reads this... -
Kermit,
2015-06-23, 18:21
- Nah, that's definitely Luke. :) - mnemesis, 2015-06-23, 01:17
- Nah, that's definitely Luke. :) -
Vortech,
2015-06-23, 01:42
- Good point.
- Ragashingo, 2015-06-23, 01:52
- Good point.
- Why don't they offer $60 for TTK/Exotic Emotes w/o Vanilla? -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-22, 20:37
- I much prefer a frank interview like this -
Monochron,
2015-06-22, 21:25
- Uh, he sounded pretty interested in it -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-23, 14:51
- No, actually quite the oposite - Monochron, 2015-06-24, 15:18
- Uh, he sounded pretty interested in it -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-23, 14:51
- Reads like Lukems. - Funkmon, 2015-06-23, 00:39
- Wearing his own ass as a hat. - narcogen, 2015-06-23, 00:58
- Making sure I have this right -
Fuertisimo,
2015-06-23, 03:57
- Making sure I have this right -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-23, 04:38
- Making sure I have this right -
Fuertisimo,
2015-06-23, 05:13
- Making sure I have this right - Cody Miller, 2015-06-23, 05:21
- Making sure I have this right -
Leviathan,
2015-06-23, 05:49
- Yeah, honestly if you're just buying TTK, it's a steal.
- iconicbanana, 2015-06-23, 12:41
- Making sure I have this right -
Xenos,
2015-06-23, 18:30
- Making sure I have this right - iconicbanana, 2015-06-23, 18:33
- Yeah, honestly if you're just buying TTK, it's a steal.
- Making sure I have this right -
Fuertisimo,
2015-06-23, 05:13
- Making sure I have this right -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-23, 04:38
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Xenos,
2015-06-23, 04:39
- Yep. - Leviathan, 2015-06-23, 05:40
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Fuertisimo,
2015-06-23, 05:54
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-06-23, 08:36
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Funkmon,
2015-06-23, 09:15
- Hold on now... - yakaman, 2015-06-23, 15:57
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-23, 10:13
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-06-23, 14:10
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-23, 14:20
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... - Schedonnardus, 2015-06-23, 14:33
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-06-23, 18:18
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-23, 14:20
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-06-23, 14:10
- Wow -
someotherguy,
2015-06-23, 11:43
- Wow -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-06-23, 12:46
- +1 for almost everything -
ZackDark,
2015-06-23, 12:51
- Thanks for mentioning it. - Vortech, 2015-06-23, 18:25
- About sums up my feelings.
- iconicbanana, 2015-06-23, 12:53
- Wow -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-23, 13:17
- Oh hell, you made me agree with Cody :p - someotherguy, 2015-06-23, 14:48
- Wow - Leviathan, 2015-06-23, 14:50
- A calmer response -
someotherguy,
2015-06-23, 14:06
- A calmer response -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-06-23, 14:31
- A calmer response - someotherguy, 2015-06-23, 14:36
- A calmer response - Cody Miller, 2015-06-23, 14:41
- A calmer response - car15, 2015-06-24, 02:39
- A calmer response - General Vagueness, 2015-06-23, 16:48
- A calmer response -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-06-23, 14:31
- Wow - car15, 2015-06-24, 02:24
- +1 for almost everything -
ZackDark,
2015-06-23, 12:51
- Wow - extra-credit - Miguel Chavez, 2015-06-23, 12:47
- Wow -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-06-23, 12:46
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Fuertisimo,
2015-06-23, 12:30
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-06-23, 13:08
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... - Fuertisimo, 2015-06-23, 13:14
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-23, 13:22
- I mean . . . this REALLY seems like sensationalism -
Monochron,
2015-06-23, 14:13
- Click-bait. -
Kermit,
2015-06-23, 18:52
- I'm outraged that you can't relate. ;)
- Ragashingo, 2015-06-23, 18:55
- Click-bait. - RaichuKFM, 2015-06-23, 21:58
- Click-bait. - Vortech, 2015-06-24, 00:39
- I'm outraged that you can't relate. ;)
- I'm going to explain this again simply -
Fuertisimo,
2015-06-24, 03:36
- I'm going to explain this again simply -
Monochron,
2015-06-24, 15:29
- I'm going to explain this again simply -
Fuertisimo,
2015-06-24, 17:14
- I'm going to explain this again simply -
Monochron,
2015-06-24, 18:10
- I'm going to explain this again simply -
Fuertisimo,
2015-06-25, 02:27
- I'm going to explain this again simply - Monochron, 2015-06-25, 12:40
- I'm going to explain this again simply -
Fuertisimo,
2015-06-25, 02:27
- I'm going to explain this again simply -
Monochron,
2015-06-24, 18:10
- I'm going to explain this again simply -
Fuertisimo,
2015-06-24, 17:14
- I'm going to explain this again simply -
Monochron,
2015-06-24, 15:29
- Click-bait. -
Kermit,
2015-06-23, 18:52
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-06-23, 14:42
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-23, 14:45
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... - MacAddictXIV, 2015-06-23, 14:50
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-23, 14:45
- I mean . . . this REALLY seems like sensationalism -
Monochron,
2015-06-23, 14:13
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-06-23, 13:08
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-23, 12:36
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... - Xenos, 2015-06-23, 18:40
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Funkmon,
2015-06-23, 09:15
- The thing that bothers me the most about this interview... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-06-23, 08:36
- Deej responds to the response -
General Vagueness,
2015-06-23, 05:13
- Here is the forum thread - Relativiox, 2015-06-23, 08:23
- What happened to you Bungie? -
someotherguy,
2015-06-23, 10:15
- What happened to you Bungie? -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-23, 17:14
- Read it the same way.
- Xenos, 2015-06-23, 18:36
- Yeah, I was in a bad mood today. - someotherguy, 2015-06-23, 20:19
- Read it the same way.
- What happened to you Bungie? -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-23, 17:14
- Finally read the interview. Luke is great. - ProbablyLast, 2015-06-23, 11:23
- The cost of being a collector. -
unoudid,
2015-06-23, 12:30
- Holy cow
- ZackDark, 2015-06-23, 12:47
- The cost of being a collector. -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-06-23, 13:15
- The cost of being a collector. -
unoudid,
2015-06-23, 14:18
- The cost of being a collector. -
Harmanimus,
2015-06-24, 01:56
- The cost of being a collector. -
Speedracer513,
2015-06-24, 10:48
- That counts as "fun" in my books
- ZackDark, 2015-06-24, 12:03
- That counts as "fun" in my books
- The cost of being a collector. -
Speedracer513,
2015-06-24, 10:48
- The cost of being a collector. -
Harmanimus,
2015-06-24, 01:56
- The cost of being a collector. -
unoudid,
2015-06-23, 14:18
- Holy cow
- Day 1 players to get unspecified Bonus Content. -
Revenant1988,
2015-06-23, 12:32
- Golden Warlock Turd confirmed.
- yakaman, 2015-06-23, 16:00
- Golden Warlock Turd OP. Bingle PLZ Nerf
- unoudid, 2015-06-23, 16:04
- Golden Warlock Turd OP. Bingle PLZ Nerf
- Day 1 players to get unspecified Bonus Content. -
Xenos,
2015-06-23, 18:00
- Day 1 players to get unspecified Bonus Content. -
slycrel,
2015-06-24, 02:01
- Day 1 players to get unspecified Bonus Content. - Xenos, 2015-06-24, 02:33
- Day 1 players to get unspecified Bonus Content. -
slycrel,
2015-06-24, 02:01
- Golden Warlock Turd confirmed.
- boils down to selling more of the base game to pad numbers - Schedonnardus, 2015-06-23, 14:32
- From these comments I expected Luke to come off badly -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-23, 14:50
- One nit - Beorn, 2015-06-23, 16:00
- It's all relative -
Earendil,
2015-06-23, 16:36
- It's all relative - Leviathan, 2015-06-23, 17:01
- It's all relative - Kahzgul, 2015-06-23, 21:51
- Wow.