I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... (Gaming)
But personally, from what we know, I see relatable challenges on both sides of this issue. The whole thing just makes me sad.
I think, like Marty, I too would be outraged if a publisher took away my contribution on a vital event like that. But I can also see how challenging it might be for a whole studio to work with that outrage (especially in such an important role) if they were already into the thick of it and trying to make a good game despite challenges with the publisher.
So the relatable solution was to strip Marty of his shares for no reason other than "he'd be an ass at board meetings?"
...I don't think I said that. And I didn't mean to imply it.
I do think it was implied. Your statement reads like "Both sides have a point here: Marty wants his creative vision intact, and Bungie might have difficulty working with an outraged Marty, what a tough call" basically treating Marty's termination as the central issue and glossing over the real meat of the legal battle which was Bungie stripping Marty of his shares in the company (and withholding his unused vacation pay which was even more of an open-and-shut case) for, as we now know, no defensible reason.
To be clear, I'm on no side.
I know, you and others. And it's upsetting. When people here (and elsewhere) hem and haw about "both sides are good/bad, we don't have enough info, etc" it strains credibility. The court documents have revealed plenty, and I think it's fine to favor a side now. Siding with the arbitrator, who has examined all the information and does this for a living and has ruled Bungie was in the wrong, seems prudent.
Complete thread:
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
CyberKN,
2015-09-05, 01:09
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Leviathan,
2015-09-05, 02:06
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Schooly D,
2015-09-05, 02:18
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - breitzen, 2015-09-05, 02:43
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Leviathan,
2015-09-05, 02:47
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Schooly D,
2015-09-05, 13:41
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Jillybean,
2015-09-05, 14:27
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-09-05, 19:41
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-05, 20:19
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-05, 20:51
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Xenos,
2015-09-05, 20:53
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 21:01
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Xenos,
2015-09-05, 20:53
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-05, 20:51
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
dogcow,
2015-09-05, 23:24
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Kermit, 2015-09-06, 16:50
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Leviathan,
2015-09-05, 15:21
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-09-05, 15:30
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Xenos,
2015-09-05, 16:31
- +1 -
red robber,
2015-09-05, 16:39
- Divorce? You mean we get two Christmases! - Funkmon, 2015-09-05, 16:46
- Yeah. - RaichuKFM, 2015-09-05, 16:51
- +1 -
red robber,
2015-09-05, 16:39
- You made your point fine. - PsychoRaven, 2015-09-05, 18:01
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 17:52
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-09-05, 19:44
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 20:43
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Jillybean,
2015-09-05, 14:27
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Schooly D,
2015-09-05, 13:41
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - narcogen, 2015-09-07, 23:04
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Schooly D,
2015-09-05, 02:18
- Well, I never thought we'd find out what happened this quick - Funkmon, 2015-09-05, 02:57
- Wow -
car15,
2015-09-05, 04:15
- tl;dr = fucking Activision, bad times Marty -
Raflection,
2015-09-05, 04:22
- I said explicitly that Marty behaved unprofessionally - car15, 2015-09-05, 04:27
- Wow - Schooly D, 2015-09-05, 05:05
- Wow - Ragashingo, 2015-09-05, 14:23
- Wow - FyreWulff, 2015-09-05, 19:14
- tl;dr = fucking Activision, bad times Marty -
Raflection,
2015-09-05, 04:22
- Poor Bungie -
Ze Moose,
2015-09-05, 04:38
- We get to experience the great publisher for another 9 years - Funkmon, 2015-09-05, 06:33
- Poor Bungie -
ncsuDuncan,
2015-09-05, 13:08
- Poor Bungie -
car15,
2015-09-05, 13:16
- Poor Bungie - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 13:27
- Is there something wrong with Halo 2? -
red robber,
2015-09-05, 16:50
- +1 -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-05, 16:52
- +2 -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 19:51
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 21:41
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:47
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:01
- Poor reading comprehension? -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-05, 22:06
- Poor reading comprehension? -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:21
- Poor reading comprehension? -
Avateur,
2015-09-05, 23:03
- Poor reading comprehension? - car15, 2015-09-05, 23:16
- Poor reading comprehension? -
Avateur,
2015-09-05, 23:03
- Why would a simple statement of truth need nuance? -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 04:29
- Why would a simple statement of truth need nuance? -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 11:39
- or throw a wobbly -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 13:50
- Get bent. -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 17:09
- #shotsfired -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:15
- Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 17:24
- Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:36
- Calm down. All of you. -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 17:40
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:54
- Calm down. All of you. -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 18:03
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:05
- Calm down. All of you. -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:07
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:13
- Calm down. All of you. - Xenos, 2015-09-06, 18:15
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:13
- Calm down. All of you. -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:07
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:05
- Missed my point completely -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:04
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:06
- Missed my point completely -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:17
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:27
- Missed my point completely -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:33
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:46
- Missed my point completely - Xenos, 2015-09-06, 18:56
- Missed my point completely -
Leviathan,
2015-09-06, 19:09
- That picnic ... -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 19:20
- That picnic ... - breitzen, 2015-09-06, 21:52
- That picnic ... -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 19:20
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:46
- Missed my point completely -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:33
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:27
- Missed my point completely -
Leviathan,
2015-09-06, 18:19
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:32
- Missed my point completely - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 18:55
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:32
- Missed my point completely - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 19:20
- Missed my point completely -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:17
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:06
- Calm down. All of you. - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2015-09-09, 03:25
- Calm down. All of you. -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 18:03
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:54
- Calm down. All of you. -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 17:40
- Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 18:14
- Something to think about. -
Leviathan,
2015-09-06, 18:43
- And this... - Claude Errera, 2015-09-06, 19:52
- Something to think about. -
Leviathan,
2015-09-06, 18:43
- Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:36
- Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 17:24
- #shotsfired -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:15
- Get bent. -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 17:09
- or throw a wobbly -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 13:50
- Why would a simple statement of truth need nuance? -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 11:39
- Poor reading comprehension? -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:21
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 22:11
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 22:25
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - car15, 2015-09-05, 23:01
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-05, 22:54
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:59
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 23:03
- Stop. Cool off. Be nice to each other. -
Leviathan,
2015-09-06, 04:54
- Stop. Cool off. Be nice to each other. - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 15:14
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:59
- Poor reading comprehension? -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-05, 22:06
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:01
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - Kermit, 2015-09-06, 14:35
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:47
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 21:41
- +2 -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 19:51
- +1 -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-05, 16:52
- Poor Bungie -
car15,
2015-09-05, 13:16
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
EffortlessFury,
2015-09-05, 16:17
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Xenos,
2015-09-05, 16:24
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Funkmon,
2015-09-05, 16:39
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Monochron,
2015-09-05, 17:20
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - dogcow, 2015-09-07, 14:22
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Monochron,
2015-09-05, 17:20
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Funkmon,
2015-09-05, 16:39
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 18:35
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Xenos,
2015-09-05, 16:24
- Performance reviews - Monochron, 2015-09-05, 17:09
- Now I feel bad for liking all that Zep... -
ZackDark,
2015-09-05, 18:29
- Now I feel bad for liking all that Zep... - dogcow, 2015-09-07, 14:25
- Activision - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-05, 19:00
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 20:24
- +1 - Claude Errera, 2015-09-05, 20:36
- How dare you be level headed! - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 20:38
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
CyberKN,
2015-09-05, 20:49
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:13
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-05, 22:34
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 23:20
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-06, 04:00
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-06, 05:53
- I don't have all year ;) - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-09-06, 11:39
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 14:48
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-06, 14:54
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 16:52
- I agree with Leviathan . . . - cheapLEY, 2015-09-06, 17:18
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 16:52
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-06, 14:54
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-06, 05:53
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-06, 04:00
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 23:20
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-05, 22:34
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:13
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-05, 20:53
- I agree with Leviathan . . . - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 20:56
- I agree with Leviathan . . . - cheapLEY, 2015-09-05, 21:23
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-05, 21:26
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:41
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-05, 21:57
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 22:50
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-07, 17:18
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-07, 20:08
- I agree with Leviathan . . . - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-07, 23:31
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-07, 20:08
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-07, 17:18
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 22:50
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-05, 21:57
- +1 -
Jillybean,
2015-09-05, 21:58
- Explain Bungie.net then. :P -
Funkmon,
2015-09-06, 01:05
- Explain Bungie.net then. :P - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-06, 12:32
- Explain Bungie.net then. :P -
Funkmon,
2015-09-06, 01:05
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:41
- It is our business... -
naturl selexion,
2015-09-05, 23:06
- It is our business... -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 05:02
- It is our business... -
Claude Errera,
2015-09-06, 17:12
- It is our business... -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:19
- It is our business... - Claude Errera, 2015-09-06, 19:51
- It is our business... -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:19
- It is our business... -
Claude Errera,
2015-09-06, 17:12
- It is our business... -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 05:02
- What does move on mean in this context? -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 04:43
- It means . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-06, 14:50
- It means . . . - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 15:24
- It means . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-06, 14:50
- Yay for Marty! - dogcow, 2015-09-05, 23:10
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
car15,
2015-09-06, 00:13
- This is starting to feel like gossip to me. - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 04:45
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 15:07
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow -
Avateur,
2015-09-06, 00:44
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow -
car15,
2015-09-06, 01:14
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-06, 12:29
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
breitzen,
2015-09-06, 12:51
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:28
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
Pyromancy,
2015-09-07, 13:11
- ...How is posting here supporting Bungie, exactly? -
RaichuKFM,
2015-09-07, 13:13
- petetheduck works for Bungie, right? Let's ask him...? :) -
Pyromancy,
2015-09-07, 13:27
- He does? Since when?! -
Quirel,
2015-09-09, 04:05
- He doesn't - Avateur, 2015-09-09, 23:40
- He does? Since when?! -
Quirel,
2015-09-09, 04:05
- ...How is posting here supporting Bungie, exactly? -
Leviathan,
2015-09-07, 13:55
- ...How is posting here supporting Bungie, exactly? - Xenos, 2015-09-07, 14:12
- petetheduck works for Bungie, right? Let's ask him...? :) -
Pyromancy,
2015-09-07, 13:27
- ...How is posting here supporting Bungie, exactly? -
RaichuKFM,
2015-09-07, 13:13
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
Pyromancy,
2015-09-07, 13:11
- Yes. - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 17:28
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:28
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
breitzen,
2015-09-06, 12:51
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-06, 12:29
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow - FoolsRun, 2015-09-08, 10:33
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow -
car15,
2015-09-06, 01:14
- Good! -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 16:45
- Everyone participating in this thread should read this. -
Claude Errera,
2015-09-06, 17:22
- Agreed. #Kermitismyhero - breitzen, 2015-09-06, 17:28
- Well said. - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 17:50
- Well done, Kermit :) - Lawnmower172, 2015-09-06, 19:05
- Good! -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-06, 19:19
- Good! -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 19:26
- Good! -
Avateur,
2015-09-06, 21:28
- Good! - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 21:44
- Good! -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-06, 22:48
- I bet that Sir Paul reads this forum, I should post more ;) - Pyromancy, 2015-09-07, 12:37
- Good! -
Avateur,
2015-09-06, 21:28
- Good! -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 19:26
- Everyone participating in this thread should read this. -
Claude Errera,
2015-09-06, 17:22
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-12, 15:02
- No, and I can say with confidence: they won't. - Xenos, 2015-09-12, 15:31
- Former bosses happy with ruling, not happy with Marty - General Vagueness, 2015-09-13, 02:27
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Leviathan,
2015-09-05, 02:06