State of the Eververse (Destiny)

by Kermit , Raleigh, NC, Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 13:55 (1649 days ago) @ Cody Miller

If we add the ghost back into the raid like he said then you you have a chance to get the ghost. But if we wanted to make it like Cody says, then we make it 100% chance when completing the raid! Great, but see raids take a long time, some people still can't do that.

Raids take a long time, but they are not time wasting. Huge difference there.

That is totally an opinion of yours. which is another point, things that are time wasting is totally relative to the person. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would love to have that raid ghost but a raid is totally time wasting. That is why you can't assume anything in Destiny is not time wasting. Thus, giving people who find an activity time wasting an option to buy the cosmetics from that activity would be a boon to people. Thus a reason for micro transactions

What you are talking about is taste. If I create something that is not to your taste, that doesn't mean I wasted your time. It doesn't even mean a 'bad' game is time wasting. As long as you are making the thing in good faith, then it isn't time wasting and exploitative.

Raid - made in good faith to be as fun as possible.
Eververse - Made in bad faith to manipulate you into spending money

Microtransactions and investment systems require game designers to act in bad faith to create systems that are intentionally irritating, but not irritating enough they turn you off to the game entirely.

I think game designers can act and have acted in bad faith, but I don't think microtransactions and investment systems require them to.

Alternative:

Raid - made in good faith to be as fun as possible (the end result being that you buy the game, which involves spending money).

Eververse - Made in good faith to look cool (the end result being that you want it enough to spend money on it).

There seems to be this underlying assumption that creating something that we want to pay for is inherently bad, is sprung from bad intentions, or is evil and underhanded. It's not like anyone NEEDS games. Newsflash: Bungie hopes you spend money on their stuff. But by these lights, every vidoc Bungie has ever made is manipulative.