An elitist film for elitists? (Off-Topic)
I'm talking about a kind of elitist audience, who believe that a sign of good art is that it makes statements about issues like, for instance, a wealthy ruling class.
If they make those statements well and in a culturally relevant manner yes. And last Jedi was so relevant it actually scared people when the message confronted them.
Okay, Jedi mind reader.Its overwrought concern for "cultural relevancy" is exactly what will make it unwatchable down the road.
I have more to say. For instance, I have different expectations for different kinds of movies. For now I'll just say (on this point because it's only one of my criticisms) The Last Jedi is for a certain audience what most recent "Christian" movies are: pablum that makes its intended audience feel good about their moral superiority.
No I think it directly tackles and confronts the audience with issues like Toxic Masculinity, indulgence, dynasties, etc. Things we need to tackle these days!
But it doesn’t “tackle”. It preaches. It begins from a thin, under-developed, ignorant, and often pathological view of deeply complex issues, and then preaches to the audience about what is good and bad based on that world view. It does nothing to truly examine. It paints things as utterly black and white. They literally make the argument in TLJ that the ONLY way to get rich is through immoral means. Now, I’m all for someone making a movie that explores that thesis. But, just like a literal thesis defence, you don’t get to walk into a room and make grand proclamations of that nature and have everyone else just accept it. You need to examine the arguments for AND against your point.
That’s the difference between “examining” and issue, and propaganda. Hollywood’s flavour of social commentary is just another religious worldview, with its own blasphemy and dogmas, sins and virtues. And like many other religious world views, it only ever references itself to prove its point.
More often than not, Hollywood filmmakers aren’t equipped to tackle these issues with the depth or complexity that they really deserve. They don’t understand them. And is it really that surprising that when a group of ultra-elites who work in a morally corrupt industry decide to get on their soapboxes and preach down at the rest of the world, a good chunk of the population just rolls their eyes and says “sorry, I don’t buy that coming from you”?
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INSANEdrive,
2019-04-12, 10:34
- Looks fun! -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-12, 10:54
- Looks fun! -
Cody Miller,
2019-04-12, 12:08
- Looks fun! -
Avateur,
2019-04-12, 20:58
- Looks fun! -
Malagate,
2019-04-16, 09:55
- Looks fun! - Cody Miller, 2019-04-16, 11:08
- Looks fun! -
Malagate,
2019-04-16, 09:55
- Looks fun! -
Avateur,
2019-04-12, 20:58
- The face I made when the name came up. - Harmanimus, 2019-04-12, 15:12
- Looks fun! -
Cody Miller,
2019-04-12, 12:08
- I'll maybe watch it for $1 on Redbox - Blackt1g3r, 2019-04-12, 11:15
- Thoughts. Cus' you know I have 'em. - INSANEdrive, 2019-04-12, 12:35
- Star Wars: Episode IX – Teaser -
ZackDark,
2019-04-12, 13:07
- Star Wars: Episode IX – Teaser - cheapLEY, 2019-04-12, 13:44
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Korny,
2019-04-12, 13:14
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Malagate,
2019-04-16, 10:02
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
marmot 1333,
2019-04-16, 10:09
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. - Malagate, 2019-04-16, 10:48
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Korny,
2019-04-16, 10:15
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. - Malagate, 2019-04-16, 10:52
- But what about Midichlo..... </kills self> - Robot Chickens, 2019-04-16, 11:13
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-16, 11:33
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
EffortlessFury,
2019-04-16, 15:27
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-16, 17:22
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Harmanimus,
2019-04-16, 23:43
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-17, 08:42
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-17, 09:26
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Robot Chickens,
2019-04-17, 10:30
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-17, 10:54
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Robot Chickens,
2019-04-17, 12:26
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-17, 12:36
- Agreed - Robot Chickens, 2019-04-17, 13:55
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-17, 12:36
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Robot Chickens,
2019-04-17, 12:26
- Good points - CruelLEGACEY, 2019-04-17, 12:04
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-17, 10:54
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-17, 11:14
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. - cheapLEY, 2019-04-17, 11:19
- On updating a classic -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-17, 13:23
- I really love Alien 3. - Malagate, 2019-04-17, 13:31
- I really hate babies. 3 - Korny, 2019-04-17, 13:42
- On updating a classic -
Robot Chickens,
2019-04-17, 14:12
- On updating a classic - Harmanimus, 2019-04-17, 14:47
- On updating a classic -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-17, 16:44
- On updating a classic -
Cody Miller,
2019-04-17, 19:00
- On updating a classic -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-18, 07:28
- On updating a classic -
Cody Miller,
2019-04-18, 08:43
- On updating a classic -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-18, 12:59
- On updating a classic - Cody Miller, 2019-04-18, 14:51
- On updating a classic -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-18, 12:59
- On updating a classic -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-18, 11:04
- On updating a classic - CruelLEGACEY, 2019-04-18, 12:29
- On updating a classic -
Harmanimus,
2019-04-18, 12:33
- On updating a classic -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-18, 12:44
- I totally and completely agree - Avateur, 2019-04-18, 14:25
- Dad of War...? -
Claude Errera,
2019-04-18, 14:27
- The new God of War -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-18, 15:37
- The new God of War -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-18, 16:37
- Got it. Thanks! - Claude Errera, 2019-04-18, 16:57
- The new God of War is only $25 on PSN this week, BTW. - Korny, 2019-04-18, 17:17
- The new God of War -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-18, 16:37
- The new God of War -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-18, 15:37
- On updating a classic - Harmanimus, 2019-04-18, 14:28
- On updating a classic -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-18, 12:44
- On updating a classic -
Cody Miller,
2019-04-18, 08:43
- On updating a classic -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-18, 07:28
- On updating a classic -
Cody Miller,
2019-04-17, 19:00
- On updating a classic -
Cody Miller,
2019-04-17, 14:33
- On updating a classic -
Harmanimus,
2019-04-17, 14:49
- +1 - CruelLEGACEY, 2019-04-18, 06:42
- On updating a classic -
Avateur,
2019-04-18, 14:41
- On updating a classic -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-18, 16:52
- On updating a classic -
Avateur,
2019-04-19, 18:08
- On updating a classic -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-19, 19:17
- On updating a classic -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-19, 19:50
- On updating a classic -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-19, 20:48
- On updating a classic -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-19, 21:20
- On updating a classic -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-20, 11:25
- On updating a classic -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-20, 12:10
- The Intent Behind The Symbols -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-20, 12:47
- The Intent Behind The Symbols - cheapLEY, 2019-04-20, 15:04
- The Intent Behind The Symbols -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-20, 12:47
- On updating a classic -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-20, 12:10
- On updating a classic -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-20, 11:25
- Hellblade -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-25, 19:41
- Hellblade - Ragashingo, 2019-04-25, 20:41
- On updating a classic -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-19, 21:20
- On updating a classic -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-19, 20:48
- On updating a classic -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-19, 19:50
- On updating a classic -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-19, 19:17
- On updating a classic -
Avateur,
2019-04-19, 18:08
- On updating a classic -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-18, 16:52
- On updating a classic -
Harmanimus,
2019-04-17, 14:49
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Robot Chickens,
2019-04-17, 10:30
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Harmanimus,
2019-04-17, 09:55
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-18, 20:05
- +10000000 - breitzen, 2019-04-19, 10:30
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. - CruelLEGACEY, 2019-04-19, 13:49
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Kermit,
2019-05-06, 11:01
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-05-06, 11:29
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Kermit,
2019-05-06, 12:43
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-05-06, 12:52
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. - cheapLEY, 2019-05-06, 16:32
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Kermit,
2019-05-06, 17:22
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
cheapLEY,
2019-05-06, 17:27
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. - CruelLEGACEY, 2019-05-06, 17:38
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Kermit,
2019-05-06, 17:49
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
cheapLEY,
2019-05-06, 17:56
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Avateur,
2019-05-07, 01:46
- Different kinds of movies serve different purposes -
Kermit,
2019-05-07, 15:38
- Different kinds of movies serve different purposes -
kidtsunami,
2019-05-07, 16:53
- Different kinds of movies serve different purposes -
Kermit,
2019-05-07, 18:11
- Different kinds of movies serve different purposes -
Cody Miller,
2019-05-07, 19:34
- Ha, fair enough - kidtsunami, 2019-05-08, 05:04
- Different kinds of movies serve different purposes -
Cody Miller,
2019-05-07, 19:34
- Different kinds of movies serve different purposes -
Kermit,
2019-05-07, 18:11
- Different kinds of movies serve different purposes -
Cody Miller,
2019-05-07, 17:52
- Ok - Kermit, 2019-05-07, 17:58
- Different kinds of movies serve different purposes -
kidtsunami,
2019-05-07, 16:53
- Different kinds of movies serve different purposes -
Kermit,
2019-05-07, 15:38
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Avateur,
2019-05-07, 01:46
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. - MacAddictXIV, 2019-05-07, 07:31
- An elitist film for elitists? -
kidtsunami,
2019-05-07, 09:36
- An elitist film for elitists? - Cody Miller, 2019-05-07, 09:44
- An elitist film for elitists? -
Kermit,
2019-05-07, 09:45
- An elitist film for elitists? -
Cody Miller,
2019-05-07, 09:49
- An elitist film for elitists? -
Kermit,
2019-05-07, 10:08
- An elitist film for elitists? -
Cody Miller,
2019-05-07, 10:26
- An elitist film for elitists? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-05-07, 12:06
- An elitist film for elitists? - kidtsunami, 2019-05-07, 12:50
- An elitist film for elitists? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-05-07, 12:06
- An elitist film for elitists? -
Cody Miller,
2019-05-07, 10:26
- An elitist film for elitists? -
Kermit,
2019-05-07, 10:08
- An elitist film for elitists? -
kidtsunami,
2019-05-07, 11:12
- An elitist film for elitists? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-05-07, 12:15
- An elitist film for elitists? - kidtsunami, 2019-05-07, 12:31
- An elitist film for elitists? -
Kermit,
2019-05-07, 12:16
- An elitist film for elitists? -
kidtsunami,
2019-05-07, 12:43
- An elitist film for elitists? -
Kermit,
2019-05-07, 13:06
- An elitist film for elitists? -
kidtsunami,
2019-05-07, 13:33
- An elitist film for elitists? -
cheapLEY,
2019-05-07, 16:34
- An elitist film for elitists? -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-05-08, 08:26
- An elitist film for elitists? -
Kermit,
2019-05-08, 08:36
- An elitist film for elitists? -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-05-08, 08:42
- An elitist film for elitists? -
Kermit,
2019-05-08, 11:29
- An elitist film for elitists? -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-05-09, 06:38
- An elitist film for elitists? - Kermit, 2019-05-09, 08:03
- An elitist film for elitists? -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-05-09, 06:38
- An elitist film for elitists? -
Kermit,
2019-05-08, 11:29
- An elitist film for elitists? -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-05-08, 08:42
- An elitist film for elitists? -
Kermit,
2019-05-08, 08:36
- An elitist film for elitists? -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-05-08, 08:26
- An elitist film for elitists? -
cheapLEY,
2019-05-07, 16:34
- An elitist film for elitists? -
kidtsunami,
2019-05-07, 13:33
- An elitist film for elitists? -
Kermit,
2019-05-07, 13:06
- An elitist film for elitists? -
kidtsunami,
2019-05-07, 12:43
- An elitist film for elitists? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-05-07, 12:15
- An elitist film for elitists? -
Cody Miller,
2019-05-07, 09:49
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Cody Miller,
2019-05-07, 09:46
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Claude Errera,
2019-05-07, 10:06
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. - Cody Miller, 2019-05-07, 10:27
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Claude Errera,
2019-05-07, 10:06
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
cheapLEY,
2019-05-06, 17:56
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Cody Miller,
2019-05-07, 09:56
- #Codyisright - Korny, 2019-05-07, 12:04
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
cheapLEY,
2019-05-06, 17:27
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-05-06, 12:52
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Kermit,
2019-05-06, 12:43
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-05-06, 11:29
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-18, 20:05
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-18, 19:55
- +1 Good Post -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-18, 20:04
- +1 Good Post - Ragashingo, 2019-04-20, 22:12
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-20, 11:38
- Literally nothing?? -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-20, 12:20
- Yes, literally nothing. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-20, 20:30
- Yes, literally nothing. -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-20, 21:10
- Yes, literally nothing. -
Harmanimus,
2019-04-20, 21:31
- Yes, literally nothing. - Ragashingo, 2019-04-20, 22:11
- +1 - CruelLEGACEY, 2019-04-22, 02:15
- Yes, literally nothing. -
Harmanimus,
2019-04-20, 21:31
- Yes, literally nothing. -
Harmanimus,
2019-04-20, 21:34
- Yes, literally nothing. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-22, 00:22
- Yes, literally nothing. -
Harmanimus,
2019-04-22, 11:49
- Yes, literally nothing. -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-22, 11:58
- ^ +1 to these two posts - Robot Chickens, 2019-04-22, 12:02
- Yes, literally nothing. -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-22, 11:58
- Yes, literally nothing. -
Harmanimus,
2019-04-22, 11:49
- Yes, literally nothing. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-22, 00:22
- Yes, literally nothing. -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-20, 21:59
- Wait. -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-21, 08:05
- Yes, wait. -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-21, 09:33
- Yes, wait. -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-21, 10:07
- Yes, wait. -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-21, 10:39
- Yes, wait. - cheapLEY, 2019-04-21, 11:01
- Ok, I'm going to give this one more try -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-22, 02:01
- Ok, I'm going to give this one more try - Ragashingo, 2019-04-22, 19:28
- Side note, from someone with no skin in this game -
Claude Errera,
2019-04-22, 14:31
- Side note, from someone with no skin in this game -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-22, 14:59
- Side note, from someone with no skin in this game -
Claude Errera,
2019-04-22, 15:15
- Side note, from someone with no skin in this game - Ragashingo, 2019-04-22, 16:07
- Side note, from someone with no skin in this game -
Claude Errera,
2019-04-22, 15:15
- Side note, from someone with no skin in this game -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-22, 14:59
- Yes, wait. -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-21, 10:39
- Yes, wait. - Cody Miller, 2019-05-07, 09:59
- Yes, wait. -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-21, 10:07
- Yes, wait. -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-21, 09:33
- Wait. -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-21, 08:05
- Yes, literally nothing. -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-20, 21:10
- Hey analyze this fight next -
Cody Miller,
2019-04-21, 09:30
- Ha. I totally thought about using it as an example! :) - Ragashingo, 2019-04-21, 09:33
- Yes, literally nothing. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-20, 20:30
- Literally nothing?? -
Ragashingo,
2019-04-20, 12:20
- +1 Good Post -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-18, 20:04
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-17, 09:26
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-17, 08:42
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Harmanimus,
2019-04-16, 23:43
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-16, 17:22
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. - Cody Miller, 2019-04-16, 17:02
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
EffortlessFury,
2019-04-16, 15:27
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
marmot 1333,
2019-04-16, 10:09
- Looks kind of dumb, so it's very Star Wars alright. -
Malagate,
2019-04-16, 10:02
- Star Wars: Episode IX – Teaser -
ManKitten,
2019-04-12, 13:23
- reylo! - kidtsunami, 2019-04-12, 13:45
- I’ll watch it - Oholiab, 2019-04-12, 20:12
- Star Wars: Episode IX – Teaser - metwaf100, 2019-04-13, 03:03
- Respawn's Jedi: The Fallen Order trailer -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-13, 15:44
- Respawn's Jedi: The Fallen Order trailer -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-13, 18:40
- Respawn's Jedi: The Fallen Order trailer - Ragashingo, 2019-04-14, 01:19
- As long as we're just posting Star Wars stuff... - stabbim, 2019-04-16, 14:18
- Respawn's Jedi: The Fallen Order trailer -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-04-13, 18:40
- It's just a teaser. But I like what I see. - breitzen, 2019-04-13, 18:27
- Star Wars: The Last Post - Kermit, 2019-04-22, 12:48
- Star Wars: The Rise Of ThreadWalker -
kidtsunami,
2019-04-23, 12:09
- Star Wars: The Rise Of ThreadWalker -
Cody Miller,
2019-04-23, 12:56
- Star Wars: The Rise Of ThreadWalker - kidtsunami, 2019-04-24, 06:52
- Star Wars: The Rise Of ThreadWalker -
Cody Miller,
2019-04-23, 12:56
- Oh hey. People are still talking in that StarWars Thread... - INSANEdrive, 2019-05-06, 13:22
- Looks fun! -
cheapLEY,
2019-04-12, 10:54