For those talking about recharge rates (Destiny)
Original D1 recharge rates for grenade were 1:00, melee was 1:09. This was with Tier 0 and no perks that increase speeds. In D2 the recharge rate is 1:23 (from matches from last night I recorded) with no upgrades for both. There WILL be perks that affect this (in the DRE armor had perks that increased recharge rate, see this sheet transcribed from the DRE to see that there are perks for grenade, melee, super, and even class abilities. So as of right now the increased recharge rate is about 20%-33% longer. That's not really that bad. With armor perks giving us faster recharge rates and possibly even two charges (we know at least that Strikers get can dual lightning grenades from the Kostov gameplay) I think it'll be much more reasonable (though still slower than D1, which I'm 100% okay with).
Health recharge is about a second longer, according to Datto. Nothing to get upset about.
I wouldn't say I'm "upset", just disappointed. Xenos point that it isn't that much slower than D1 isn't particularly reassuring to me personally, because I thought combat in D1 was already way too slow and repetitive until you get close to max level. Even if the cooldowns were identical to the starting point in D1, I'd be disappointed because I was very much hoping that the combat elements of the initial campaign experience would be improved in D2, not go backwards.
It's a design philosophy that is a pet peeve of mine; create a combat system that is fun and diverse and exciting, then strip stuff away from it or impede the player's ability to use these mechanics and then slowly remove those impediments over time as a form of "investment mechanic". Destiny is far from the only game that does this obviously.
If the early portion of the campaign ends up playing similarly to the Beta, then I'm not going to enjoy it. I'll be able to go back and replay it once I'm fully levelled, and the mechanics will be more fun at that point, but I will already have experienced the content. It's loosely equivalent to being forced to play Halo CE on easy before being allowed to unlock higher difficulty levels. I don't enjoy Halo on easy, but Halo let's me jump straight into Legendary. That option doesn't exist in Destiny. (And I know that's not a 1-to-1 comparison for a bunch of reasons, but hopefully my meaning comes across :)
Complete thread:
- So, how is it? -
dogcow,
2017-07-18, 10:19
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 10:25
- So, how is it? - Vortech, 2017-07-18, 10:50
- nice! - Schedonnardus, 2017-07-18, 11:08
- Hype for 2 - Blackt1g3r, 2017-07-18, 11:13
- Xenos is streaming! -
marmot 1333,
2017-07-18, 11:06
- Xenos is streaming.....orbit - Schedonnardus, 2017-07-18, 11:12
- Initial impressions are... bad. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 11:18
- Noooooo -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-18, 11:24
- Noooooo -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 11:43
- good, shoulder charge was bad -
Schedonnardus,
2017-07-18, 11:44
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 11:52
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 12:13
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 12:23
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 12:39
- Well, that bodes well... - ZackDark, 2017-07-18, 14:41
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 12:39
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 12:23
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 12:13
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 11:52
- Noooooo - Cody Miller, 2017-07-18, 11:46
- good, shoulder charge was bad -
Schedonnardus,
2017-07-18, 11:44
- Noooooo -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 11:43
- Lets be honest. Shoulder charge was OP. -
UnrealCh13f,
2017-07-18, 12:42
- Agreed - TheeChaos, 2017-07-18, 12:49
- I dispute this. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 12:52
- False -
unoudid,
2017-07-18, 13:02
- False -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 13:05
- False -
squidnh3,
2017-07-18, 13:09
- Finally, a good point. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 13:11
- Finally, a good point. -
unoudid,
2017-07-18, 13:14
- Word. - BeardFade, 2017-07-18, 13:23
- Also, to clarify: -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 13:15
- Also, to clarify: -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-18, 13:43
- Also, to clarify: - unoudid, 2017-07-18, 14:12
- Also, to clarify: - ProbablyLast, 2017-07-18, 21:26
- Also, to clarify: -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-18, 13:43
- Finally, a good point. -
unoudid,
2017-07-18, 13:14
- False - Cody Miller, 2017-07-18, 13:41
- Finally, a good point. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 13:11
- False -
squidnh3,
2017-07-18, 13:09
- False -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 13:05
- Uh-Uh. -
Morpheus,
2017-07-18, 15:27
- Uh-Uh. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 19:53
- Uh-Uh. -
Morpheus,
2017-07-19, 11:51
- Hell, Even In Real Life. - Morpheus, 2017-07-19, 12:17
- Oh, give me a break. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-19, 12:46
- Break me off a pice of that Kit Kat bar... -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 14:07
- Oh, give me a break. -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 14:12
- Oh, give me a break. - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-07-21, 05:50
- Oh, give me a break. -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 14:12
- Break me off a pice of that Kit Kat bar... -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 14:07
- Hey Cyber! -
Morpheus,
2017-08-02, 23:42
- Hey Cyber! -
Vortech,
2017-08-03, 08:06
- Hey Cyber! -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 09:20
- Hey Cyber! -
Vortech,
2017-08-03, 11:41
- Hey Cyber! - Robot Chickens, 2017-08-03, 12:55
- Hey Cyber! -
Vortech,
2017-08-03, 11:41
- Hey Cyber! -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 09:20
- "Stationary position" everyone -
CyberKN,
2017-08-03, 12:30
- "Not Sprinting" Position, Everybody! -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 13:11
- That's not what you said at all. -
CyberKN,
2017-08-03, 15:34
- Ready For The Best Part? -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 17:45
- Ready For The Best Part? -
Claude Errera,
2017-08-03, 22:00
- Oh Definitely. - Morpheus, 2017-08-04, 01:08
- Ready For The Best Part? -
Claude Errera,
2017-08-03, 22:00
- Ready For The Best Part? -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 17:45
- That's not what you said at all. -
CyberKN,
2017-08-03, 15:34
- "Not Sprinting" Position, Everybody! -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 13:11
- Hey Cyber! -
Vortech,
2017-08-03, 08:06
- Uh-Uh. -
Morpheus,
2017-07-19, 11:51
- I want to play your version of the game. -
ProbablyLast,
2017-07-18, 21:23
- Drop some acid, find an old 28.8k modem, and you're in. -
Funkmon,
2017-07-18, 22:32
- Instructions Unclear - Cody Miller, 2017-07-18, 22:35
- You Got It! - Morpheus, 2017-07-19, 11:57
- Drop some acid, find an old 28.8k modem, and you're in. -
Funkmon,
2017-07-18, 22:32
- Irony? -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-19, 07:25
- Not Strongest, Longest. -
Morpheus,
2017-07-19, 12:01
- Not Strongest, Longest. - Harmanimus, 2017-07-19, 14:01
- Not Strongest, Longest. -
Morpheus,
2017-07-19, 12:01
- Uh-Uh. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 19:53
- False -
unoudid,
2017-07-18, 13:02
- Initial impressions are... bad. -
ManKitten,
2017-07-18, 13:27
- I was talking from a Purely PvE perspective. - CyberKN, 2017-07-18, 13:51
- Initial impressions are... bad. -
General Battuta,
2017-07-18, 14:23
- ^ - Funkmon, 2017-07-18, 14:36
- Initial impressions (warlock) - slycrel, 2017-07-18, 13:29
- Could this be due to low level and dumpy white guns? -
Funkmon,
2017-07-18, 14:37
- Could this be due to low level and dumpy white guns? -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-18, 14:58
- Uh oh. - Funkmon, 2017-07-18, 15:20
- Everything is Legen....wait for it.... -
ChrisTheeCrappy,
2017-07-18, 14:58
- I love you even more now. - ProbablyLast, 2017-07-18, 15:21
- Could this be due to low level and dumpy white guns? -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-18, 14:58
- Initial impressions are... good. -
kidtsunami,
2017-07-18, 15:36
- Initial impressions are... good. - Harmanimus, 2017-07-18, 16:33
- Noooooo -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-18, 11:24
- Slower [Titan Class comments] -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-18, 14:25
- [Hunter Class comments] -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-19, 00:10
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-20, 01:09
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-07-20, 07:41
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
dogcow,
2017-07-20, 07:46
- Hedge beat us both - DiscipleN2k, 2017-07-20, 07:49
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
dogcow,
2017-07-20, 07:46
- [Warlock Class/General comments] McCartney Lives in D2 - dogcow, 2017-07-20, 07:45
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
stabbim,
2017-07-21, 08:36
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-21, 09:52
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ - stabbim, 2017-07-21, 11:47
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-21, 09:52
- [Additional PvE comments] - Harmanimus, 2017-07-22, 01:08
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-07-20, 07:41
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-20, 01:09
- [Hunter Class comments] -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-19, 00:10
- You mean the wait till Friday? - Cody Miller, 2017-07-18, 16:54
- Overall I'm really liking it. - Xenos, 2017-07-18, 17:30
- Pretty dang buggy. -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 17:45
- Pretty dang buggy. - CaneCutter, 2017-07-18, 22:00
- Will third nausea. I think it was the fire movements. - CommandrCleavage, 2017-07-19, 06:11
- Pretty dang buggy. -
Kalamari,
2017-07-19, 07:34
- Pretty dang buggy. - CommandrCleavage, 2017-07-19, 08:30
- I had to play it twice -
Schedonnardus,
2017-07-20, 06:34
- I had to play it twice - Korny, 2017-07-20, 08:30
- Destiny 2: Nerf everything edition. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-18, 18:39
- Suggested light is 210, we are at 200, explains some of it. -
slycrel,
2017-07-18, 18:52
- good point. Why would they do that, though? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-19, 09:49
- Test Light Level Balancing? - TheeChaos, 2017-07-19, 10:48
- good point. Why would they do that, though? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-19, 09:49
- Seems appropriate with the lost light and starting over? - Vortech, 2017-07-19, 10:04
- Suggested light is 210, we are at 200, explains some of it. -
slycrel,
2017-07-18, 18:52
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-18, 20:11
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 20:17
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-18, 22:22
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Vortech,
2017-07-19, 10:07
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Chappy,
2017-07-20, 08:35
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) - Vortech, 2017-07-20, 09:47
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Chappy,
2017-07-20, 08:35
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Vortech,
2017-07-19, 10:07
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-18, 22:22
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) - Vortech, 2017-07-19, 10:06
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Kahzgul,
2017-07-19, 21:03
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) - Blackt1g3r, 2017-07-20, 07:11
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
stabbim,
2017-07-25, 08:15
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) - Kermit, 2017-07-25, 10:18
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 20:17
- What time do Xbox Servers go up? -
INSANEdrive,
2017-07-18, 21:15
- Don't know. Probably 10am PST - CougRon, 2017-07-18, 21:20
- Supposedly 10 AM PT - Blackt1g3r, 2017-07-19, 07:31
- So, how is it? -
CommandrCleavage,
2017-07-19, 06:31
- So, how is it? -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 07:49
- So, how is it? -
CommandrCleavage,
2017-07-19, 08:40
- Tower Battle - Firefight? - dogcow, 2017-07-19, 08:51
- Replay Homecoming mission -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-19, 09:39
- Replay Homecoming mission -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 09:59
- Replay Homecoming mission - Vortech, 2017-07-19, 10:12
- It appears that each class always has the same loadout. -
slycrel,
2017-07-19, 13:16
- It appears that each class always has the same loadout. - Ragashingo, 2017-07-19, 14:47
- You can change your loadout - Kahzgul, 2017-07-19, 21:10
- Replay Homecoming mission -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 09:59
- So, how is it? -
Vortech,
2017-07-19, 10:10
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 10:45
- So, how is it? -
TheeChaos,
2017-07-19, 10:49
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 11:13
- So, how is it? -
TheeChaos,
2017-07-19, 11:18
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 11:20
- XD - TheeChaos, 2017-07-19, 11:22
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 11:20
- So, how is it? -
TheeChaos,
2017-07-19, 11:18
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 11:13
- So, how is it? -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-19, 11:22
- So, how is it? -
Revenant1988,
2017-07-19, 13:24
- So, how is it? - Cody Miller, 2017-07-19, 13:34
- So, how is it? -
biggy,
2017-07-19, 15:59
- ^*NM*Post *NM* - Pyromancy, 2017-07-19, 21:37
- So, how is it? -
Revenant1988,
2017-07-19, 13:24
- So, how is it? -
TheeChaos,
2017-07-19, 10:49
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 10:45
- So, how is it? -
CommandrCleavage,
2017-07-19, 08:40
- So, how is it? -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 07:49
- More thoughts, after a day to think about it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-19, 13:38
- I'll eat my AoT shirt if cooldowns stay as they are. - Ragashingo, 2017-07-19, 14:57
- More thoughts, after a day to think about it -
Vortech,
2017-07-19, 15:48
- More thoughts, after a day to think about it - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-07-19, 17:12
- More thoughts, after a day to think about it -
EffortlessFury,
2017-07-20, 09:20
- More thoughts, after a day to think about it - Xenos, 2017-07-20, 09:31
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-19, 14:38
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns - Ragashingo, 2017-07-19, 15:02
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-19, 15:54
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-19, 16:34
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-07-19, 17:09
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-19, 16:34
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns - Harmanimus, 2017-07-19, 16:26
- It also makes some special abilities really strong - Kahzgul, 2017-07-19, 21:11
- So, how is it? -
Hedgemony,
2017-07-19, 19:02
- AHHHH! A Ghost! - Revenant1988, 2017-07-19, 19:25
- Did you check out the jukebox? -
Kahzgul,
2017-07-19, 20:53
- Did you check out the jukebox? - Kermit, 2017-07-20, 09:38
- Hedge!?! Did you see this? *Poss. SP?* -
Pyromancy,
2017-07-19, 21:27
- Hedge!?! Did you see this? *Poss. SP?* - Hedgemony, 2017-07-21, 08:18
- So, how is it? - dogcow, 2017-07-20, 07:57
- So, how is it? -
ProbablyLast,
2017-07-19, 19:26
- I definitely missed a patrol/exploration mode, but... -
Kahzgul,
2017-07-19, 21:12
- Was quite fun to explore. :) -
Claude Errera,
2017-07-19, 22:09
- You think we could matchmake 2 DBO teams toExplore Crucible? -
Pyromancy,
2017-07-20, 11:41
- Would probably be pretty hard - Claude Errera, 2017-07-20, 11:57
- You think we could matchmake 2 DBO teams toExplore Crucible? -
Pyromancy,
2017-07-20, 11:41
- Yeah, it's a nice area. - ProbablyLast, 2017-07-20, 10:12
- Was quite fun to explore. :) -
Claude Errera,
2017-07-19, 22:09
- I definitely missed a patrol/exploration mode, but... -
Kahzgul,
2017-07-19, 21:12
- Explore Inverted Spire. -
DEEP_NNN,
2017-07-19, 20:46
- Man cannon loop is top 2 activity in beta. We did it 3 times - Funkmon, 2017-07-20, 08:05
- I found the radar colours lacking. - DEEP_NNN, 2017-07-20, 05:38
- My Thoughts - Blackt1g3r, 2017-07-20, 06:58
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Xenos,
2017-07-20, 08:16
- For those talking about recharge rates - Cody Miller, 2017-07-20, 09:30
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Kermit,
2017-07-20, 09:33
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 14:53
- For those talking about recharge rates - Blackt1g3r, 2017-07-20, 15:25
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Xenos,
2017-07-20, 16:18
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 17:04
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 14:32
- For those talking about recharge rates - Harmanimus, 2017-07-21, 15:35
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 14:32
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 17:04
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 14:53
- For those talking about recharge rates -
biggy,
2017-07-20, 16:47
- For those talking about recharge rates - Xenos, 2017-07-20, 16:50
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-20, 17:03
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 17:11
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Ragashingo,
2017-07-20, 18:11
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 18:23
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-20, 21:41
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Xenos,
2017-07-21, 07:34
- For those talking about recharge rates - Harmanimus, 2017-07-21, 09:54
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Xenos,
2017-07-21, 07:34
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-20, 21:41
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 18:23
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Ragashingo,
2017-07-20, 18:11
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 17:11
- Looks & Feels...Weird -
squidnh3,
2017-07-20, 10:47
- Looks & Feels...Weird -
Korny,
2017-07-20, 11:03
- Looks & Feels...Weird -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-20, 11:06
- Looks & Feels...Weird - Korny, 2017-07-21, 19:52
- Looks & Feels...Weird - narcogen, 2017-07-21, 20:05
- Looks & Feels...Weird -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-20, 11:06
- Looks & Feels...Weird - biggy, 2017-07-20, 16:42
- Oh! -
INSANEdrive,
2017-07-20, 22:56
- Oh! - dogcow, 2017-07-21, 08:17
- Played 4 hours as warlock. Looks the same, feels the same. - Funkmon, 2017-07-21, 07:06
- Looks & Feels...Weird -
Korny,
2017-07-20, 11:03
- Greg Cote voice "Lovin' It" - ManKitten, 2017-07-20, 12:34
- Overall - Kermit, 2017-07-21, 10:54
- On Storytelling -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 15:05
- On Storytelling -
Kermit,
2017-07-21, 15:21
- On Storytelling -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-21, 15:32
- On Storytelling -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 15:35
- On Storytelling - Harmanimus, 2017-07-21, 15:42
- On Storytelling -
narcogen,
2017-07-21, 20:04
- On Storytelling - Cody Miller, 2017-07-21, 22:13
- +1 - Kermit, 2017-07-24, 09:06
- On Storytelling - DEEP_NNN, 2017-07-22, 06:45
- On Storytelling -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-21, 16:39
- On Storytelling -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 16:43
- On Storytelling - Harmanimus, 2017-07-21, 16:47
- Unfortunately, I agree - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-07-21, 17:40
- On Storytelling -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 16:43
- On Storytelling -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 15:35
- On Storytelling - Cody Miller, 2017-07-21, 15:38
- On Storytelling -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-21, 15:32
- On Storytelling - Ragashingo, 2017-07-21, 16:23
- On Storytelling -
Kermit,
2017-07-21, 15:21
- Cody's Hype Level -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 22:50
- Nailed It. - DEEP_NNN, 2017-07-22, 06:50
- Cody's Hype Level - Pretty close to my feelings. - dogcow, 2017-07-24, 08:46
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 10:25