+1 (Destiny)
Just like when making a film, you can't have perfect foresight or a perfect plan. You get better ideas after you've started creating content, and at some point practical considerations come into play regarding how much content you can ditch and when you can start over. Bungie absolutely is not starting from scratch--they have established a universe, and some elements they've decided to keep while throwing away others. We agree it would've been cool to come into the Tower as it was and have the game start. Would the benefit have been worth the effort to pull that off? Maybe, but I don't know the technical challenges (and I don't think you do either). In my mind I thought you were also suggesting they build out sections of the city of have us involved in more actions to enhance the loss, but maybe you didn't say that. It's easy to ask for the sky, man. Harder to deliver. Bungie has a good track record of improving their games and learning from their mistakes (IMHO), so I'm hopeful that their foresight and planning is much better now, and just the tenor of the podcasts and interviews encourages me on that score.
I mean, yeah. If we are really supposed to be in invested, we absolutely should have been able to go into the city before it burned down. You posted the screen from Star Wars… we spend 20 minutes of the films runtime getting to know what he loses. Your point about benefit and effort is exactly what I'm trying to point out. Because we never did it in Destiny, we should have done it in Des2ny. Even if only in a cutscene.Rise of the Guardians was scrapped when it was 3/4 done and completely redone. The only reason Dreamworks allowed it was that it was an animated movie, done entirely in computers… "reshooting" didn't mean reshooting.
I continue to think that you underestimate how hard it is to make great video games. I recently listened to a commentary about Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons. The main guy who led that team had been a filmmaker with several feature films under this belt. He said making a video game was much, much harder than anything else he had done. I believe it.
Complete thread:
- So, how is it? -
dogcow,
2017-07-18, 10:19
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 10:25
- So, how is it? - Vortech, 2017-07-18, 10:50
- nice! - Schedonnardus, 2017-07-18, 11:08
- Hype for 2 - Blackt1g3r, 2017-07-18, 11:13
- Xenos is streaming! -
marmot 1333,
2017-07-18, 11:06
- Xenos is streaming.....orbit - Schedonnardus, 2017-07-18, 11:12
- Initial impressions are... bad. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 11:18
- Noooooo -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-18, 11:24
- Noooooo -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 11:43
- good, shoulder charge was bad -
Schedonnardus,
2017-07-18, 11:44
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 11:52
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 12:13
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 12:23
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 12:39
- Well, that bodes well... - ZackDark, 2017-07-18, 14:41
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 12:39
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 12:23
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 12:13
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 11:52
- Noooooo - Cody Miller, 2017-07-18, 11:46
- good, shoulder charge was bad -
Schedonnardus,
2017-07-18, 11:44
- Noooooo -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 11:43
- Lets be honest. Shoulder charge was OP. -
UnrealCh13f,
2017-07-18, 12:42
- Agreed - TheeChaos, 2017-07-18, 12:49
- I dispute this. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 12:52
- False -
unoudid,
2017-07-18, 13:02
- False -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 13:05
- False -
squidnh3,
2017-07-18, 13:09
- Finally, a good point. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 13:11
- Finally, a good point. -
unoudid,
2017-07-18, 13:14
- Word. - BeardFade, 2017-07-18, 13:23
- Also, to clarify: -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 13:15
- Also, to clarify: -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-18, 13:43
- Also, to clarify: - unoudid, 2017-07-18, 14:12
- Also, to clarify: - ProbablyLast, 2017-07-18, 21:26
- Also, to clarify: -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-18, 13:43
- Finally, a good point. -
unoudid,
2017-07-18, 13:14
- False - Cody Miller, 2017-07-18, 13:41
- Finally, a good point. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 13:11
- False -
squidnh3,
2017-07-18, 13:09
- False -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 13:05
- Uh-Uh. -
Morpheus,
2017-07-18, 15:27
- Uh-Uh. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 19:53
- Uh-Uh. -
Morpheus,
2017-07-19, 11:51
- Hell, Even In Real Life. - Morpheus, 2017-07-19, 12:17
- Oh, give me a break. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-19, 12:46
- Break me off a pice of that Kit Kat bar... -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 14:07
- Oh, give me a break. -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 14:12
- Oh, give me a break. - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-07-21, 05:50
- Oh, give me a break. -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 14:12
- Break me off a pice of that Kit Kat bar... -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 14:07
- Hey Cyber! -
Morpheus,
2017-08-02, 23:42
- Hey Cyber! -
Vortech,
2017-08-03, 08:06
- Hey Cyber! -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 09:20
- Hey Cyber! -
Vortech,
2017-08-03, 11:41
- Hey Cyber! - Robot Chickens, 2017-08-03, 12:55
- Hey Cyber! -
Vortech,
2017-08-03, 11:41
- Hey Cyber! -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 09:20
- "Stationary position" everyone -
CyberKN,
2017-08-03, 12:30
- "Not Sprinting" Position, Everybody! -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 13:11
- That's not what you said at all. -
CyberKN,
2017-08-03, 15:34
- Ready For The Best Part? -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 17:45
- Ready For The Best Part? -
Claude Errera,
2017-08-03, 22:00
- Oh Definitely. - Morpheus, 2017-08-04, 01:08
- Ready For The Best Part? -
Claude Errera,
2017-08-03, 22:00
- Ready For The Best Part? -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 17:45
- That's not what you said at all. -
CyberKN,
2017-08-03, 15:34
- "Not Sprinting" Position, Everybody! -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 13:11
- Hey Cyber! -
Vortech,
2017-08-03, 08:06
- Uh-Uh. -
Morpheus,
2017-07-19, 11:51
- I want to play your version of the game. -
ProbablyLast,
2017-07-18, 21:23
- Drop some acid, find an old 28.8k modem, and you're in. -
Funkmon,
2017-07-18, 22:32
- Instructions Unclear - Cody Miller, 2017-07-18, 22:35
- You Got It! - Morpheus, 2017-07-19, 11:57
- Drop some acid, find an old 28.8k modem, and you're in. -
Funkmon,
2017-07-18, 22:32
- Irony? -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-19, 07:25
- Not Strongest, Longest. -
Morpheus,
2017-07-19, 12:01
- Not Strongest, Longest. - Harmanimus, 2017-07-19, 14:01
- Not Strongest, Longest. -
Morpheus,
2017-07-19, 12:01
- Uh-Uh. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 19:53
- False -
unoudid,
2017-07-18, 13:02
- Initial impressions are... bad. -
ManKitten,
2017-07-18, 13:27
- I was talking from a Purely PvE perspective. - CyberKN, 2017-07-18, 13:51
- Initial impressions are... bad. -
General Battuta,
2017-07-18, 14:23
- ^ - Funkmon, 2017-07-18, 14:36
- Initial impressions (warlock) - slycrel, 2017-07-18, 13:29
- Could this be due to low level and dumpy white guns? -
Funkmon,
2017-07-18, 14:37
- Could this be due to low level and dumpy white guns? -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-18, 14:58
- Uh oh. - Funkmon, 2017-07-18, 15:20
- Everything is Legen....wait for it.... -
ChrisTheeCrappy,
2017-07-18, 14:58
- I love you even more now. - ProbablyLast, 2017-07-18, 15:21
- Could this be due to low level and dumpy white guns? -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-18, 14:58
- Initial impressions are... good. -
kidtsunami,
2017-07-18, 15:36
- Initial impressions are... good. - Harmanimus, 2017-07-18, 16:33
- Noooooo -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-18, 11:24
- Slower [Titan Class comments] -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-18, 14:25
- [Hunter Class comments] -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-19, 00:10
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-20, 01:09
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-07-20, 07:41
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
dogcow,
2017-07-20, 07:46
- Hedge beat us both - DiscipleN2k, 2017-07-20, 07:49
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
dogcow,
2017-07-20, 07:46
- [Warlock Class/General comments] McCartney Lives in D2 - dogcow, 2017-07-20, 07:45
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
stabbim,
2017-07-21, 08:36
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-21, 09:52
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ - stabbim, 2017-07-21, 11:47
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-21, 09:52
- [Additional PvE comments] - Harmanimus, 2017-07-22, 01:08
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-07-20, 07:41
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-20, 01:09
- [Hunter Class comments] -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-19, 00:10
- You mean the wait till Friday? - Cody Miller, 2017-07-18, 16:54
- Overall I'm really liking it. - Xenos, 2017-07-18, 17:30
- Pretty dang buggy. -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 17:45
- Pretty dang buggy. - CaneCutter, 2017-07-18, 22:00
- Will third nausea. I think it was the fire movements. - CommandrCleavage, 2017-07-19, 06:11
- Pretty dang buggy. -
Kalamari,
2017-07-19, 07:34
- Pretty dang buggy. - CommandrCleavage, 2017-07-19, 08:30
- I had to play it twice -
Schedonnardus,
2017-07-20, 06:34
- I had to play it twice - Korny, 2017-07-20, 08:30
- Destiny 2: Nerf everything edition. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-18, 18:39
- Suggested light is 210, we are at 200, explains some of it. -
slycrel,
2017-07-18, 18:52
- good point. Why would they do that, though? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-19, 09:49
- Test Light Level Balancing? - TheeChaos, 2017-07-19, 10:48
- good point. Why would they do that, though? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-19, 09:49
- Seems appropriate with the lost light and starting over? - Vortech, 2017-07-19, 10:04
- Suggested light is 210, we are at 200, explains some of it. -
slycrel,
2017-07-18, 18:52
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-18, 20:11
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 20:17
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-18, 22:22
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Vortech,
2017-07-19, 10:07
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Chappy,
2017-07-20, 08:35
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) - Vortech, 2017-07-20, 09:47
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Chappy,
2017-07-20, 08:35
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Vortech,
2017-07-19, 10:07
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-18, 22:22
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) - Vortech, 2017-07-19, 10:06
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Kahzgul,
2017-07-19, 21:03
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) - Blackt1g3r, 2017-07-20, 07:11
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
stabbim,
2017-07-25, 08:15
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) - Kermit, 2017-07-25, 10:18
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 20:17
- What time do Xbox Servers go up? -
INSANEdrive,
2017-07-18, 21:15
- Don't know. Probably 10am PST - CougRon, 2017-07-18, 21:20
- Supposedly 10 AM PT - Blackt1g3r, 2017-07-19, 07:31
- So, how is it? -
CommandrCleavage,
2017-07-19, 06:31
- So, how is it? -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 07:49
- So, how is it? -
CommandrCleavage,
2017-07-19, 08:40
- Tower Battle - Firefight? - dogcow, 2017-07-19, 08:51
- Replay Homecoming mission -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-19, 09:39
- Replay Homecoming mission -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 09:59
- Replay Homecoming mission - Vortech, 2017-07-19, 10:12
- It appears that each class always has the same loadout. -
slycrel,
2017-07-19, 13:16
- It appears that each class always has the same loadout. - Ragashingo, 2017-07-19, 14:47
- You can change your loadout - Kahzgul, 2017-07-19, 21:10
- Replay Homecoming mission -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 09:59
- So, how is it? -
Vortech,
2017-07-19, 10:10
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 10:45
- So, how is it? -
TheeChaos,
2017-07-19, 10:49
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 11:13
- So, how is it? -
TheeChaos,
2017-07-19, 11:18
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 11:20
- XD - TheeChaos, 2017-07-19, 11:22
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 11:20
- So, how is it? -
TheeChaos,
2017-07-19, 11:18
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 11:13
- So, how is it? -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-19, 11:22
- So, how is it? -
Revenant1988,
2017-07-19, 13:24
- So, how is it? - Cody Miller, 2017-07-19, 13:34
- So, how is it? -
biggy,
2017-07-19, 15:59
- ^*NM*Post *NM* - Pyromancy, 2017-07-19, 21:37
- So, how is it? -
Revenant1988,
2017-07-19, 13:24
- So, how is it? -
TheeChaos,
2017-07-19, 10:49
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 10:45
- So, how is it? -
CommandrCleavage,
2017-07-19, 08:40
- So, how is it? -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 07:49
- More thoughts, after a day to think about it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-19, 13:38
- I'll eat my AoT shirt if cooldowns stay as they are. - Ragashingo, 2017-07-19, 14:57
- More thoughts, after a day to think about it -
Vortech,
2017-07-19, 15:48
- More thoughts, after a day to think about it - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-07-19, 17:12
- More thoughts, after a day to think about it -
EffortlessFury,
2017-07-20, 09:20
- More thoughts, after a day to think about it - Xenos, 2017-07-20, 09:31
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-19, 14:38
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns - Ragashingo, 2017-07-19, 15:02
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-19, 15:54
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-19, 16:34
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-07-19, 17:09
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-19, 16:34
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns - Harmanimus, 2017-07-19, 16:26
- It also makes some special abilities really strong - Kahzgul, 2017-07-19, 21:11
- So, how is it? -
Hedgemony,
2017-07-19, 19:02
- AHHHH! A Ghost! - Revenant1988, 2017-07-19, 19:25
- Did you check out the jukebox? -
Kahzgul,
2017-07-19, 20:53
- Did you check out the jukebox? - Kermit, 2017-07-20, 09:38
- Hedge!?! Did you see this? *Poss. SP?* -
Pyromancy,
2017-07-19, 21:27
- Hedge!?! Did you see this? *Poss. SP?* - Hedgemony, 2017-07-21, 08:18
- So, how is it? - dogcow, 2017-07-20, 07:57
- So, how is it? -
ProbablyLast,
2017-07-19, 19:26
- I definitely missed a patrol/exploration mode, but... -
Kahzgul,
2017-07-19, 21:12
- Was quite fun to explore. :) -
Claude Errera,
2017-07-19, 22:09
- You think we could matchmake 2 DBO teams toExplore Crucible? -
Pyromancy,
2017-07-20, 11:41
- Would probably be pretty hard - Claude Errera, 2017-07-20, 11:57
- You think we could matchmake 2 DBO teams toExplore Crucible? -
Pyromancy,
2017-07-20, 11:41
- Yeah, it's a nice area. - ProbablyLast, 2017-07-20, 10:12
- Was quite fun to explore. :) -
Claude Errera,
2017-07-19, 22:09
- I definitely missed a patrol/exploration mode, but... -
Kahzgul,
2017-07-19, 21:12
- Explore Inverted Spire. -
DEEP_NNN,
2017-07-19, 20:46
- Man cannon loop is top 2 activity in beta. We did it 3 times - Funkmon, 2017-07-20, 08:05
- I found the radar colours lacking. - DEEP_NNN, 2017-07-20, 05:38
- My Thoughts - Blackt1g3r, 2017-07-20, 06:58
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Xenos,
2017-07-20, 08:16
- For those talking about recharge rates - Cody Miller, 2017-07-20, 09:30
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Kermit,
2017-07-20, 09:33
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 14:53
- For those talking about recharge rates - Blackt1g3r, 2017-07-20, 15:25
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Xenos,
2017-07-20, 16:18
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 17:04
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 14:32
- For those talking about recharge rates - Harmanimus, 2017-07-21, 15:35
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 14:32
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 17:04
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 14:53
- For those talking about recharge rates -
biggy,
2017-07-20, 16:47
- For those talking about recharge rates - Xenos, 2017-07-20, 16:50
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-20, 17:03
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 17:11
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Ragashingo,
2017-07-20, 18:11
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 18:23
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-20, 21:41
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Xenos,
2017-07-21, 07:34
- For those talking about recharge rates - Harmanimus, 2017-07-21, 09:54
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Xenos,
2017-07-21, 07:34
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-20, 21:41
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 18:23
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Ragashingo,
2017-07-20, 18:11
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 17:11
- Looks & Feels...Weird -
squidnh3,
2017-07-20, 10:47
- Looks & Feels...Weird -
Korny,
2017-07-20, 11:03
- Looks & Feels...Weird -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-20, 11:06
- Looks & Feels...Weird - Korny, 2017-07-21, 19:52
- Looks & Feels...Weird - narcogen, 2017-07-21, 20:05
- Looks & Feels...Weird -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-20, 11:06
- Looks & Feels...Weird - biggy, 2017-07-20, 16:42
- Oh! -
INSANEdrive,
2017-07-20, 22:56
- Oh! - dogcow, 2017-07-21, 08:17
- Played 4 hours as warlock. Looks the same, feels the same. - Funkmon, 2017-07-21, 07:06
- Looks & Feels...Weird -
Korny,
2017-07-20, 11:03
- Greg Cote voice "Lovin' It" - ManKitten, 2017-07-20, 12:34
- Overall - Kermit, 2017-07-21, 10:54
- On Storytelling -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 15:05
- On Storytelling -
Kermit,
2017-07-21, 15:21
- On Storytelling -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-21, 15:32
- On Storytelling -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 15:35
- On Storytelling - Harmanimus, 2017-07-21, 15:42
- On Storytelling -
narcogen,
2017-07-21, 20:04
- On Storytelling - Cody Miller, 2017-07-21, 22:13
- +1 - Kermit, 2017-07-24, 09:06
- On Storytelling - DEEP_NNN, 2017-07-22, 06:45
- On Storytelling -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-21, 16:39
- On Storytelling -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 16:43
- On Storytelling - Harmanimus, 2017-07-21, 16:47
- Unfortunately, I agree - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-07-21, 17:40
- On Storytelling -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 16:43
- On Storytelling -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 15:35
- On Storytelling - Cody Miller, 2017-07-21, 15:38
- On Storytelling -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-21, 15:32
- On Storytelling - Ragashingo, 2017-07-21, 16:23
- On Storytelling -
Kermit,
2017-07-21, 15:21
- Cody's Hype Level -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 22:50
- Nailed It. - DEEP_NNN, 2017-07-22, 06:50
- Cody's Hype Level - Pretty close to my feelings. - dogcow, 2017-07-24, 08:46
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 10:25