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Let's be clear here. There has been no talk of abandoning lore. Here's the "worst" of the quotes, the ones that come closest to supporting your point of view:
“We’re exploring the relationship between the player and the Ghost in terms of Light, and Ghaul’s coveting of the Light. As such, we wanted to carve off other things that we didn’t think were important to the release, such as words like The Darkness.”
“So, I think that at a point, just totally candidly? We had no idea what it was,” Smith told Kotaku. “Straight up. We had no clue.”
Smith explained that because Bungie’s writers didn’t know what the Darkness was, they just decided to “lump all the races” together as “minions of the Darkness.” But he admitted that players — and the game itself — deserve a better explanation.
But these need to be paired with the full message Luke and the others were actually trying to get across:
“We’ve never really said what [The Darkness] means,” Smith continues. “Ultimately, we do owe our players a story there – what is The Darkness? – but that’s not this game. We wanted to remove as much of the extra terminology as possible and focus on telling the Destiny 2 story. In so doing, allow Destiny 2 to usher in the rest of the saga. It’s going to start some threads that we intend to carry through.”
“Because when we’re going to talk about Darkness next, we need to know what it is and have a plan for it,” said Smith. “And we do.”
To frame it as Bungie abandoning lore is in no way fair to what was actually being said. If anything, they plan on actually exploring things like the Traveler, Light, and The Darkness in-game. Just not all at the same time or in the same release.
Complete thread:
- So, how is it? -
dogcow,
2017-07-18, 10:19
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 10:25
- So, how is it? - Vortech, 2017-07-18, 10:50
- nice! - Schedonnardus, 2017-07-18, 11:08
- Hype for 2 - Blackt1g3r, 2017-07-18, 11:13
- Xenos is streaming! -
marmot 1333,
2017-07-18, 11:06
- Xenos is streaming.....orbit
- Schedonnardus, 2017-07-18, 11:12
- Xenos is streaming.....orbit
- Initial impressions are... bad. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 11:18
- Noooooo -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-18, 11:24
- Noooooo -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 11:43
- good, shoulder charge was bad
- Schedonnardus, 2017-07-18, 11:44
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 11:52
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 12:13
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 12:23
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 12:39
- Well, that bodes well...
- ZackDark, 2017-07-18, 14:41
- Well, that bodes well...
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 12:39
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 12:23
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 12:13
- MK.44 Stand Asides were my go-to Y1 Titan Crucible exotic... -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 11:52
- Noooooo - Cody Miller, 2017-07-18, 11:46
- good, shoulder charge was bad
- Noooooo -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 11:43
- Lets be honest. Shoulder charge was OP. -
UnrealCh13f,
2017-07-18, 12:42
- Agreed - TheeChaos, 2017-07-18, 12:49
- I dispute this. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 12:52
- False -
unoudid,
2017-07-18, 13:02
- False -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 13:05
- False -
squidnh3,
2017-07-18, 13:09
- Finally, a good point. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 13:11
- Finally, a good point. -
unoudid,
2017-07-18, 13:14
- Word. - BeardFade, 2017-07-18, 13:23
- Also, to clarify: -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 13:15
- Also, to clarify: -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-18, 13:43
- Also, to clarify: - unoudid, 2017-07-18, 14:12
- Also, to clarify: - ProbablyLast, 2017-07-18, 21:26
- Also, to clarify: -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-18, 13:43
- Finally, a good point. -
unoudid,
2017-07-18, 13:14
- False - Cody Miller, 2017-07-18, 13:41
- Finally, a good point. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 13:11
- False -
squidnh3,
2017-07-18, 13:09
- False -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 13:05
- Uh-Uh. -
Morpheus,
2017-07-18, 15:27
- Uh-Uh. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 19:53
- Uh-Uh. -
Morpheus,
2017-07-19, 11:51
- Hell, Even In Real Life. - Morpheus, 2017-07-19, 12:17
- Oh, give me a break. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-19, 12:46
- Break me off a pice of that Kit Kat bar... -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 14:07
- Oh, give me a break. -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 14:12
- Oh, give me a break. - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-07-21, 05:50
- Oh, give me a break. -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 14:12
- Break me off a pice of that Kit Kat bar... -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 14:07
- Hey Cyber! -
Morpheus,
2017-08-02, 23:42
- Hey Cyber! -
Vortech,
2017-08-03, 08:06
- Hey Cyber! -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 09:20
- Hey Cyber! -
Vortech,
2017-08-03, 11:41
- Hey Cyber! - Robot Chickens, 2017-08-03, 12:55
- Hey Cyber! -
Vortech,
2017-08-03, 11:41
- Hey Cyber! -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 09:20
- "Stationary position" everyone -
CyberKN,
2017-08-03, 12:30
- "Not Sprinting" Position, Everybody! -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 13:11
- That's not what you said at all. -
CyberKN,
2017-08-03, 15:34
- Ready For The Best Part? -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 17:45
- Ready For The Best Part? -
Claude Errera,
2017-08-03, 22:00
- Oh Definitely. - Morpheus, 2017-08-04, 01:08
- Ready For The Best Part? -
Claude Errera,
2017-08-03, 22:00
- Ready For The Best Part? -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 17:45
- That's not what you said at all. -
CyberKN,
2017-08-03, 15:34
- "Not Sprinting" Position, Everybody! -
Morpheus,
2017-08-03, 13:11
- Hey Cyber! -
Vortech,
2017-08-03, 08:06
- Uh-Uh. -
Morpheus,
2017-07-19, 11:51
- I want to play your version of the game. -
ProbablyLast,
2017-07-18, 21:23
- Drop some acid, find an old 28.8k modem, and you're in.
- Funkmon, 2017-07-18, 22:32
- Instructions Unclear - Cody Miller, 2017-07-18, 22:35
- You Got It! - Morpheus, 2017-07-19, 11:57
- Drop some acid, find an old 28.8k modem, and you're in.
- Irony? -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-19, 07:25
- Not Strongest, Longest. -
Morpheus,
2017-07-19, 12:01
- Not Strongest, Longest. - Harmanimus, 2017-07-19, 14:01
- Not Strongest, Longest. -
Morpheus,
2017-07-19, 12:01
- Uh-Uh. -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 19:53
- False -
unoudid,
2017-07-18, 13:02
- Initial impressions are... bad. -
ManKitten,
2017-07-18, 13:27
- I was talking from a Purely PvE perspective. - CyberKN, 2017-07-18, 13:51
- Initial impressions are... bad. -
General Battuta,
2017-07-18, 14:23
- ^
- Funkmon, 2017-07-18, 14:36
- ^
- Initial impressions (warlock) - slycrel, 2017-07-18, 13:29
- Could this be due to low level and dumpy white guns? -
Funkmon,
2017-07-18, 14:37
- Could this be due to low level and dumpy white guns? -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-18, 14:58
- Uh oh.
- Funkmon, 2017-07-18, 15:20
- Uh oh.
- Everything is Legen....wait for it.... -
ChrisTheeCrappy,
2017-07-18, 14:58
- I love you even more now.
- ProbablyLast, 2017-07-18, 15:21
- I love you even more now.
- Could this be due to low level and dumpy white guns? -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-18, 14:58
- Initial impressions are... good. -
kidtsunami,
2017-07-18, 15:36
- Initial impressions are... good. - Harmanimus, 2017-07-18, 16:33
- Noooooo -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-18, 11:24
- Slower [Titan Class comments] -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-18, 14:25
- [Hunter Class comments] -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-19, 00:10
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-20, 01:09
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-07-20, 07:41
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
dogcow,
2017-07-20, 07:46
- Hedge beat us both - DiscipleN2k, 2017-07-20, 07:49
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
dogcow,
2017-07-20, 07:46
- [Warlock Class/General comments] McCartney Lives in D2 - dogcow, 2017-07-20, 07:45
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
stabbim,
2017-07-21, 08:36
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-21, 09:52
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ - stabbim, 2017-07-21, 11:47
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-21, 09:52
- [Additional PvE comments] - Harmanimus, 2017-07-22, 01:08
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-07-20, 07:41
- [Warlock Class/General comments] *Possible Spoilers* /long/ -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-20, 01:09
- [Hunter Class comments] -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-19, 00:10
- You mean the wait till Friday?
- Cody Miller, 2017-07-18, 16:54
- Overall I'm really liking it. - Xenos, 2017-07-18, 17:30
- Pretty dang buggy. -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 17:45
- Pretty dang buggy. - CaneCutter, 2017-07-18, 22:00
- Will third nausea. I think it was the fire movements.
- CommandrCleavage, 2017-07-19, 06:11
- Pretty dang buggy. -
Kalamari,
2017-07-19, 07:34
- Pretty dang buggy. - CommandrCleavage, 2017-07-19, 08:30
- I had to play it twice -
Schedonnardus,
2017-07-20, 06:34
- I had to play it twice - Korny, 2017-07-20, 08:30
- Destiny 2: Nerf everything edition. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-18, 18:39
- Suggested light is 210, we are at 200, explains some of it.
- slycrel, 2017-07-18, 18:52
- good point. Why would they do that, though?
- CruelLEGACEY, 2017-07-19, 09:49
- Test Light Level Balancing?
- TheeChaos, 2017-07-19, 10:48
- Test Light Level Balancing?
- good point. Why would they do that, though?
- Seems appropriate with the lost light and starting over?
- Vortech, 2017-07-19, 10:04
- Suggested light is 210, we are at 200, explains some of it.
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-18, 20:11
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 20:17
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-18, 22:22
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Vortech,
2017-07-19, 10:07
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Chappy,
2017-07-20, 08:35
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) - Vortech, 2017-07-20, 09:47
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Chappy,
2017-07-20, 08:35
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Vortech,
2017-07-19, 10:07
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-18, 22:22
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) - Vortech, 2017-07-19, 10:06
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
Kahzgul,
2017-07-19, 21:03
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) - Blackt1g3r, 2017-07-20, 07:11
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
stabbim,
2017-07-25, 08:15
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) - Kermit, 2017-07-25, 10:18
- Question about story mission encounter (spoilers) -
CyberKN,
2017-07-18, 20:17
- What time do Xbox Servers go up?
- INSANEdrive, 2017-07-18, 21:15
- Don't know. Probably 10am PST
- CougRon, 2017-07-18, 21:20
- Supposedly 10 AM PT - Blackt1g3r, 2017-07-19, 07:31
- Don't know. Probably 10am PST
- So, how is it? -
CommandrCleavage,
2017-07-19, 06:31
- So, how is it? -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 07:49
- So, how is it? -
CommandrCleavage,
2017-07-19, 08:40
- Tower Battle - Firefight? - dogcow, 2017-07-19, 08:51
- Replay Homecoming mission -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-19, 09:39
- Replay Homecoming mission -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 09:59
- Replay Homecoming mission - Vortech, 2017-07-19, 10:12
- It appears that each class always has the same loadout. -
slycrel,
2017-07-19, 13:16
- It appears that each class always has the same loadout. - Ragashingo, 2017-07-19, 14:47
- You can change your loadout - Kahzgul, 2017-07-19, 21:10
- Replay Homecoming mission -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 09:59
- So, how is it? -
Vortech,
2017-07-19, 10:10
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 10:45
- So, how is it? -
TheeChaos,
2017-07-19, 10:49
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 11:13
- So, how is it? -
TheeChaos,
2017-07-19, 11:18
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 11:20
- XD
- TheeChaos, 2017-07-19, 11:22
- XD
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 11:20
- So, how is it? -
TheeChaos,
2017-07-19, 11:18
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 11:13
- So, how is it? -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-19, 11:22
- So, how is it? -
Revenant1988,
2017-07-19, 13:24
- So, how is it? - Cody Miller, 2017-07-19, 13:34
- So, how is it? -
biggy,
2017-07-19, 15:59
- ^*NM*Post *NM* - Pyromancy, 2017-07-19, 21:37
- So, how is it? -
Revenant1988,
2017-07-19, 13:24
- So, how is it? -
TheeChaos,
2017-07-19, 10:49
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-19, 10:45
- So, how is it? -
CommandrCleavage,
2017-07-19, 08:40
- So, how is it? -
dogcow,
2017-07-19, 07:49
- More thoughts, after a day to think about it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-19, 13:38
- I'll eat my AoT shirt if cooldowns stay as they are.
- Ragashingo, 2017-07-19, 14:57
- More thoughts, after a day to think about it -
Vortech,
2017-07-19, 15:48
- More thoughts, after a day to think about it - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-07-19, 17:12
- More thoughts, after a day to think about it -
EffortlessFury,
2017-07-20, 09:20
- More thoughts, after a day to think about it - Xenos, 2017-07-20, 09:31
- I'll eat my AoT shirt if cooldowns stay as they are.
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-19, 14:38
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns - Ragashingo, 2017-07-19, 15:02
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-19, 15:54
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-19, 16:34
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-07-19, 17:09
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-19, 16:34
- Regarding Slow Cooldowns - Harmanimus, 2017-07-19, 16:26
- It also makes some special abilities really strong - Kahzgul, 2017-07-19, 21:11
- So, how is it? -
Hedgemony,
2017-07-19, 19:02
- AHHHH! A Ghost!
- Revenant1988, 2017-07-19, 19:25
- Did you check out the jukebox? -
Kahzgul,
2017-07-19, 20:53
- Did you check out the jukebox? - Kermit, 2017-07-20, 09:38
- Hedge!?! Did you see this? *Poss. SP?* -
Pyromancy,
2017-07-19, 21:27
- Hedge!?! Did you see this? *Poss. SP?* - Hedgemony, 2017-07-21, 08:18
- So, how is it? - dogcow, 2017-07-20, 07:57
- AHHHH! A Ghost!
- So, how is it? -
ProbablyLast,
2017-07-19, 19:26
- I definitely missed a patrol/exploration mode, but... -
Kahzgul,
2017-07-19, 21:12
- Was quite fun to explore. :)
- Claude Errera, 2017-07-19, 22:09
- You think we could matchmake 2 DBO teams toExplore Crucible?
- Pyromancy, 2017-07-20, 11:41
- Would probably be pretty hard
- Claude Errera, 2017-07-20, 11:57
- Would probably be pretty hard
- You think we could matchmake 2 DBO teams toExplore Crucible?
- Yeah, it's a nice area. - ProbablyLast, 2017-07-20, 10:12
- Was quite fun to explore. :)
- I definitely missed a patrol/exploration mode, but... -
Kahzgul,
2017-07-19, 21:12
- Explore Inverted Spire. -
DEEP_NNN,
2017-07-19, 20:46
- Man cannon loop is top 2 activity in beta. We did it 3 times
- Funkmon, 2017-07-20, 08:05
- Man cannon loop is top 2 activity in beta. We did it 3 times
- I found the radar colours lacking. - DEEP_NNN, 2017-07-20, 05:38
- My Thoughts - Blackt1g3r, 2017-07-20, 06:58
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Xenos,
2017-07-20, 08:16
- For those talking about recharge rates - Cody Miller, 2017-07-20, 09:30
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Kermit,
2017-07-20, 09:33
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 14:53
- For those talking about recharge rates - Blackt1g3r, 2017-07-20, 15:25
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Xenos,
2017-07-20, 16:18
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 17:04
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 14:32
- For those talking about recharge rates - Harmanimus, 2017-07-21, 15:35
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 14:32
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 17:04
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 14:53
- For those talking about recharge rates -
biggy,
2017-07-20, 16:47
- For those talking about recharge rates - Xenos, 2017-07-20, 16:50
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-20, 17:03
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 17:11
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Ragashingo,
2017-07-20, 18:11
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 18:23
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-20, 21:41
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Xenos,
2017-07-21, 07:34
- For those talking about recharge rates - Harmanimus, 2017-07-21, 09:54
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Xenos,
2017-07-21, 07:34
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-07-20, 21:41
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 18:23
- For those talking about recharge rates -
Ragashingo,
2017-07-20, 18:11
- For those talking about recharge rates -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-20, 17:11
- Looks & Feels...Weird -
squidnh3,
2017-07-20, 10:47
- Looks & Feels...Weird -
Korny,
2017-07-20, 11:03
- Looks & Feels...Weird -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-20, 11:06
- Looks & Feels...Weird - Korny, 2017-07-21, 19:52
- Looks & Feels...Weird - narcogen, 2017-07-21, 20:05
- Looks & Feels...Weird -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-20, 11:06
- Looks & Feels...Weird - biggy, 2017-07-20, 16:42
- Oh! -
INSANEdrive,
2017-07-20, 22:56
- Oh! - dogcow, 2017-07-21, 08:17
- Played 4 hours as warlock. Looks the same, feels the same. - Funkmon, 2017-07-21, 07:06
- Looks & Feels...Weird -
Korny,
2017-07-20, 11:03
- Greg Cote voice "Lovin' It" - ManKitten, 2017-07-20, 12:34
- Overall - Kermit, 2017-07-21, 10:54
- On Storytelling -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 15:05
- On Storytelling -
Kermit,
2017-07-21, 15:21
- On Storytelling -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-21, 15:32
- On Storytelling -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 15:35
- On Storytelling - Harmanimus, 2017-07-21, 15:42
- On Storytelling -
narcogen,
2017-07-21, 20:04
- On Storytelling - Cody Miller, 2017-07-21, 22:13
- +1 - Kermit, 2017-07-24, 09:06
- On Storytelling - DEEP_NNN, 2017-07-22, 06:45
- On Storytelling -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-07-21, 16:39
- On Storytelling -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 16:43
- On Storytelling - Harmanimus, 2017-07-21, 16:47
- Unfortunately, I agree
- CruelLEGACEY, 2017-07-21, 17:40
- On Storytelling -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 16:43
- On Storytelling -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 15:35
- On Storytelling - Cody Miller, 2017-07-21, 15:38
- On Storytelling -
Harmanimus,
2017-07-21, 15:32
- On Storytelling - Ragashingo, 2017-07-21, 16:23
- On Storytelling -
Kermit,
2017-07-21, 15:21
- Cody's Hype Level -
Cody Miller,
2017-07-21, 22:50
- Nailed It.
- DEEP_NNN, 2017-07-22, 06:50
- Cody's Hype Level - Pretty close to my feelings.
- dogcow, 2017-07-24, 08:46
- Nailed It.
- So, how is it? -
Korny,
2017-07-18, 10:25